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Offline tabula rasa

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« on: March 26, 2011, 06:31:33 AM »
Fool.

At least according to my member of parliament. The Hon. Kate Ellis, member for Adelaide in the Australian federal parliament. She was having a street corner meeting at my local community centre this morning so I got to buy some vegetables and talk Wikileaks. I found it especially ironic that the art exhibition at the centre was titled 'The Naked Truth' so I took that as a sign to ask her opinion of Wikileaks.

Her response was so similar to Julia Gillard that I thought I was hallucinating... She gave the standard 'untrendy' opinion (her words) that she thinks it was grossly irresponsible to publish diplomatic cables as people need to have the ability to talk freely in diplomatic circles. When I asked if she thought this would inhibit diplomatic ability to hold 'normal conversations' or just when they are lying to us, she held up the same philosophy. She doesn't believe in Internet freedom, but that people should be stopped from looking at things like child pornography etc.  She went on to say she thinks JA is a fool but that he is Australian so he is entitled to all the assistance and support of any other Australian.

We also discussed the Internet filter which they have abandoned at the national level but are working with 'many' ISPs to filter at their level.

Unfortunately I couldn't get into a full on WL/JA discussion with her as she had another street meeting to attend (and i had grocery shopping to do) plus she got swamped by oldies congratulating her on becoming number 1 female ticket holder at a local footy team... Wow what honor..  ::)

Linkback: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/australia/465/julian-assange-is-a/910/
There is a certain dramatic irony attached to all this. A synchronicity that borders on predestination, one might say.

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 20:49:54 PM »
I know how you feel, I live in Western Australia and sometimes I feel WA really lives up to it's nickname of "Wait a While" just due to people's slowness in catching up with what's really happening and how their rights can be impeded by a very inept Federal government.

It frightens me to see how JA's rights as an Australian Citizen is disregarded by the Federal government, for an elected member of government to say he is entitled to assistance - exactly what assistance is that? cause it's not looking like much to me. Australians should be worried, our rights don't seem to mean much. Our government thinks pandering to America is far more important or are they just not admitting that on a world scale our government doesn't really rate much?

I do know that your average person does support JA and WK but our politicians haven't realised it yet and probably will never admit it  on record.

Here in the West we don't support Julia Gillard or the labour party (sounds like you spoke to a labour member) but I can't help but think that if JA was selling Iron Ore and supporting a mining tax and  not selling the truth he would suddenly get a lot more support from our government.






".. was the false image I unwittingly projected to the outside world; of being regarded as a saint. I never was one, even on the basis of an earthly definition of a saint as a sinner who keeps on trying" Nelson Mandela pg. 410 "Conversations with Myself"

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 09:16:15 AM »
I personally care more about what JA does then what he "is" or "is not" - and from what he has done I can only say "Good on ya!".

JG, her crew, as well as TA and his crew, do not work for the Australian people, so it is absolutely no shock that they are treating the JA case as they are. They are on the payroll of Banking Magnates and it is their bidding that matters - NOT the Australian people! This of course goes for everywhere else in the British Empire and her allies. All the presidents and prime ministers answer to the Banking Elites, NOT to the people of the land. Eventually the only recourse will be to wipe all these vile psychopaths from the face of Earth!

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 21:28:18 PM »
genius.

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 13:29:41 PM »
HE'S A BLOODY LEGEND! MAKING GOVERNMENTS LOOK BAD >LMAO!

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 16:08:35 PM »
If JA is a fool, he is the best kind of crazy person we can find on this planet in this moment.

Strange: 100 years ago they used to accuse uncomfortable persons of being fools to "silence" them.
Now the uncomfortables are accused of rape...

Saying someone is fool is like saying what he says and does is not to belive.
Wow!

It means truth is uncomfortable.

Who belives tvs is completely lost id he/she belives what they  say.
JA has done and is doing a good job, a very good job.
If "fool" means someone that can stand up and saying the truth, and using his strenght to help all the world, yes he is.
I support that kind of fools.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2011, 12:35:30 PM »
Whatever he is..whatever is personnel traits are...its none of our business..at least this guy has guts ..guts to rise & stand up ..not for him or for some community..for all of us..for all such underdogs..who continue to suffer & remain silent.

He has risked his life for most of us, he has been living a nomadic seclusive life roaming to different places like a hermit in search of truth, He has somehow discovered art of detaching & reattaching from his fellow beings, his own family so that no harm comes to them..how anyone can judge this guy is itself a test of morality to him.

If anyone cannot appreciate this man..it is better not to speak else you will reveal yourself .

Keep him Strong!

« Last Edit: April 28, 2011, 12:40:09 PM by Mr Tensor »

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 18:30:01 PM »
Ask Kate Ellis & Julia Gillard if they have been detained like a terrorist in the very city they received a Peace Prize award in only a few months later.



I very much doubt they have.

 :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/julian-assange-australian-peace-prize-wikileaks
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 18:31:38 PM by mellie »

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 20:21:05 PM »
A sane person in a crazy world, a "Don Quixote"

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2011, 01:53:25 AM »
Hhmm I may well do that!! Mind you, the last time I emailed Ms Ellis she took five months to reply to me (that time I was demanding to know why she wasn't supporting gay marriage). But I'm keeping an eye out for another street corner meeting too :)

Ask Kate Ellis & Julia Gillard if they have been detained like a terrorist in the very city they received a Peace Prize award in only a few months later.



I very much doubt they have.

 :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/julian-assange-australian-peace-prize-wikileaks
There is a certain dramatic irony attached to all this. A synchronicity that borders on predestination, one might say.

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2011, 03:19:39 AM »
If he is a fool, he's the kind that can inspire people, the kind people in power should and do fear.

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2011, 13:23:49 PM »
.......... fool. I agree 100%.

Just let me make myself clear about one thing.....being classified by today's standards as a fool should be an honor.  ;)
You must satisfy your invariant instincts or you will be at odds with your own character. It is only when we are not at odds with our basic makeup that we can find life meaningful. - Julian Assange

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2011, 15:07:53 PM »
Julian Assange is ... a hero!
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2011, 04:59:48 AM »
One thing you should realize is this: being elected to anything by popular vote is not an assertion of -
a) competence
b) honesty
c) dependability
d) competence

Elected officials are normal people who got themselves out there, for some reason managed to get their name on a ballot, invariably ran a pageant-style campaign designed to get people to like them and then got elected. Never in any of the stages of becoming an elected official did you, or any voter, have any power over these people. You never had the power to make them decide this way or another, you never had the power to make them present this or that legislation, you never had the power to kick them out if they failed your expectations. You have the illusion that you hold some measure of power over them in either their desire to be re-elected or in some last-case-scenario of a "revolution" or uprising. Neither is more than an illusion for in the case of the former, they know full well that it only takes a few well designed PR campaigns and a couple legislative moves to please enough voters to get re-elected, and in the latter the odds of being victim to such an event are so low that it's like threatening someone with lightning - easily dismissed.

I went on this little tirade because, in discussing what elected officials/representatives say, do or claim to think, one oftens forgets just how little incentive there is for such a person to tell any measure of truth or to hold an honest conversation with anyone. It's like talking to a sock puppet, you think you're holding a serious conversation but you're just talking to the hand. We live in an age where an entire industry exists where people get college degrees and are hired to work on spinning facts, using and abusing compliant media outlets and obfuscating anything they're paid to. And, despite knowing this, many of us still live with the fantasy that we can play "gotcha" with these people, that we can get them to "concede" or to "admit" wrong doing and change their mind on some issue. We should really do something about this crippling disability of ours, but it's just so damn convenient to leave things the way they are... cause we'll elect someone else next time, right? that'll teach them bad guys...

Anyway, Julian Assange is a man. Just a man, doing what any free man should. Were that more men would do the same.


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