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Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« on: September 01, 2015, 01:48:26 AM »
Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
 August 31, 2015
  
 
The part played by Wikileaks in the Edward Snowden saga is an important one. The pivotal role of Julian Assange and other leading members of Wikileaks in getting Snowden from Hawaii to Moscow, from NSA employment to FSB protection, in the late spring of 2013 is a matter of record.

For years there have been questions about just what Wikileaks actually is. I know because I’ve been among those asking. Over two years ago, little more than two weeks after Snowden landed in Moscow, I explained my concerns about Wikileaks based on my background in counterintelligence. Specifically, the role of the Russian anti-Semite weirdo Israel Shamir, a close friend of Assange, in the Wikileaks circle merited attention, and to anyone trained in the right clues, the Assange group gave the impression of having a relationship with Russian intelligence. As I summed up my position in July 2013, based on what we knew so far:

It’s especially important given the fact that Wikileaks is playing a leading role in the Snowden case, to the dismay of some of Ed’s admirers and even members of his family. Not to mention that Snowden, as of this writing, is still in Moscow. One need not be a counterintelligence guru to have serious questions about Shamir and Wikileaks here. It may be a much bigger part of the story than it appears to the naked eye.

Evidence that Wikileaks is not what it seems to be has mounted over the years. Assange’s RT show didn’t help matters, neither did the fact that, despite having claimed to possess secret Russian intelligence files, Wikileaks has never exposed anything sensitive, as they have done with the purloined files of many other countries. To say nothing of Assange & Co. taking unmistakably pro-Russian positions on a host of controversial issues. Questions logically followed.

Now answers are appearing. It’s long been known that Wikileaks, by their own admission, counseled Ed Snowden in June 2013 to leave Hong Kong and head to Moscow. Contrary to the countless lies propagated by Snowden Operation activists, Snowden’s arrival in Russia was his choice; it had nothing to do with  canceled passports in Washington, DC.
An important gap has been filled this week by Julian Assange, who admitted that Snowden going to Moscow was his idea. Ed wanted to head to Latin America, Julian asserted, especially Ecuador, whose London embassy Assange has been hiding out in for years on the lam from rape changes in Sweden. As Assange explained, “He preferred Latin America, but my advice was that he should take asylum in Russia despite the negative PR consequences, because my assessment is that he had a significant risk he could be kidnapped from Latin America on CIA orders. Kidnapped or possibly killed.”

Only in Russia would Ed be safe, Julian counseled, because there he would be protected by Vladimir Putin and his secret services, notably the FSB. One might think that seeking the shelter of the FSB — one of the world’s nastiest secret police forces that spies on millions without warrant and murders opponents freely — might be an odd choice for a “privacy organization.” But Wikileaks is no ordinary NGO.

Why Assange knew Russia would take in Snowden — it could be a big political hassle for Moscow — is a key question that any counterintelligence officer would want answered. Was Julian speaking on behalf of the FSB or did he just “know” Ed could obtain the sanctuary plus protection he sought?
Just as telling is the recent report on Assange’s activities in Ecuador’s London embassy, where it turns out Ecuadorian intelligence has been keeping tabs on him. Which is no surprise given the PR mess Assange has created for Ecuador with his on-going antics.

Especially interesting is the revelation that, while holed up in London, Assange “requested that he be able to chose his own Security Service inside the embassy, suggesting the use of Russian operatives.” It is, to say the least, surpassingly strange that a Western “privacy advocate” wants Russian secret police protection while hiding out in a Western country. The original Spanish is clear: Assange “habría sido la elección de su propio Servicio de Seguridad en el interior de la embajada, llegando a proponer la participación de operadores de nacionalidad rusa.”

Why Assange wants FSB bodyguards is a question every journalist who encounters Julian henceforth should ask. Until he explains that, Wikileaks should be treated as the front and cut-out for Russian intelligence that it has become, while those who get in bed with Wikileaks — many Western “privacy advocates” are in that group — should be asked their feelings about their own at least indirect ties with Putin’s spy services.

P.S. For those familiar with espionage history, there is a clear precedent for such an arrangement. In 1978 the magazine Covert Action Information Bulletin appeared to expose the secrets of US and Western intelligence. Its editor was Phil Agee, a former CIA officer who had gotten into bed with Cuban and Soviet intelligence; think of Agee as the Snowden of the pre-Internet era. CAIB was in fact founded on the direction of the KGB and for years served as a conduit for Kremlin lies and disinformation that seriously harmed Western intelligence. While CAIB presented itself as a radical truth-telling group, in actuality it was a KGB front, though few CAIB staffers beyond Agee knew who was really calling the shots. One suspects much the same is happening with Wikileaks.

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http://20committee.com/2015/08/31/wikileaks-is-a-front-for-russian-intelligence/

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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 19:21:03 PM »
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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 00:33:21 AM »
Interesting still is that it has recently been revealed that Assange wanted "Russian security"?? at the embassy. The plot thickens. Then what about Assange saying that London had played the "Litvinenko card" when warding off some Russian aggression towards them. 

  So it is OK for Russia to kill off Litvinenko for speaking out about Russian corruption, but it is not OK for the US to even just investigate Assange for trying to expose US corruption. Interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2015, 17:47:13 PM »
Recently I saw a video interview of Assange here: 

http://www.c-span.org/video/?328099-1/julian-assange-wikileaks-files


   In the video Assange takes credit for making sure that Snowden was not carrying any devices/computers when he flew into Moscow. I find this so typical of his method of pouring credit all over himself and over inflating his importance as per usual. He makes it sound like Edward Snowden would not think of this himself?? I am sure he would. 

  Assange even goes as far as to say that NSA should be paying WikiLeaks a "bonus" because they had protected NSA secrets by insisting that Snowden not carry any devices/computers with him to Russia. I am sure he had to be joking, or else the depth of Assange's delusions of grandeur knows no limits.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 11:26:42 AM »
someone should tell that idiot that you do not have to carry mobile devices to spy on someone. those people are internet addicted. there are many more ways to do that.
maybe we should teach him some stuff about Air Traffic Control. these idiots really think they had a master plan for everything. popcorns incoming...:-D

you´re not more or less safe with an Iphone - just more or less paranoid. Even Josy From Hawaii should know that.
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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 13:36:24 PM »
“He has his interests and his agenda and will do what suits him at all times, including to the expense of his protectors.”

http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/-wikileaks-related-news/23/revealed-ecuador-thwarted-deal-between-julian-assange-and-swedish-prosecutors/34480/msg70306#msg70306
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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2015, 00:50:22 AM »
Complimenting that, he had made numerous references over the years about the Russian mafia extorting hackers and how it is impossible to get away from them.  A key point about Litvinenko is the links he drew between the Russian mafia and the FSB.

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 14:40:18 PM »
Assange´s balls are not his own. He is the pet for several foreign country´s driving an Agenda against the US. He is only a tool. He is exactly what I would call Russia´s best techniques. GRU, (KGB) in old times. they perfected the art of disinformation mixed with the cult around a Person. They created even out of Chapman a TV show. Putin in his earlier days was well informed and a very talented KGB officer. if someone had the money and time to perfectly create the best art of disinformation he has the knowledge and the background to do so.

The greatest trick the devil KGB ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2015, 12:35:25 PM »
Complimenting that, he had made numerous references over the years about the Russian mafia extorting hackers and how it is impossible to get away from them. A key point about Litvinenko is the links he drew between the Russian mafia and the FSB.

Yes indeed... welcome aboard btw... There are also many cables and Stratfor files talking about Russia, Russian political influence on near countries of the ex-sovietic block, Russia's lack of press freedom, Russia's biological weapons labs (they have an arsenal that makes the US one feel bad!)... Etc.
I don't mean Russia is such a monster, but, surely, like whatever other powerful country (and it is one of the), Russia has its bad issues that deserve to be investigated and reported by journalism.

Assange at the moment living in a country that is potentially (and de facto) a political or ideological allie of the so called ex/still communist countries (China, Russia...) - he is in Ecuador now - ends up ignoring all the Chinese and Russian issues. Even Snowden that has an asylum in Russia has sometimes crticized Putin in a way that Assange doesn't.

I don't think wikileaks itself is a help for Russian intelligence; but the way it gets politicized at the moment may turn to help it for sure: Assange only points the finger against the US govt, forgetting the problems of the other coalition.

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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 18:46:22 PM »
I don't think wikileaks itself is a help for Russian intelligence


I remember how Putin claimed US is going investigating against FIFA like they are going against Assange and Snowden - I think both Snowden and Assange have their Heads deep inside Putin´s ass - where they feel very comfortable at the moment - but the time will come where Snowden is just a Traitor for Putin and Assange not useful anymore.


And I will be present at that special day. watching them go down. seeing finally the light after years in in the darkness of Putin´s anus. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2015, 01:25:49 AM »
If I was going to guess between Assange and Snowden, about which one was the farthest up Putin's a hole.... I would guess Assange. I think Snowden is just trying to play it as safe as possible for now, because he is in Russia itself.

    Assange is at least as corrupt as Putin, Snowden not so much, he is more way too much of an idealist for his own good. There are those that believe Snowden will die in Russia...
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2015, 21:50:23 PM »
There only have been two NSA defectors I know that one of them died in Russia. The other one in Mexico.
Mitchell died in St. Petersburg on November 12, 2001. 
Martin is assumed he died in Mexico January 17, 1987, at Tijuana's Hospital Del Mar. and was later buried in the U.S
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Mitchell_defection

I only know the longer EJS stays in Russia the more he becomes less interesting for the USG. It´s not that he will be of interest the rest of his life. it´s also massive paranoia spread by the people like wikileaks are, that he will be assassinated. I also call everyone a fool who thinks the USG isn´t aware of what Snowden did or what wikileaks is doing. And I am totally convinced that there will be a new chapter in this whole leaking story´s soon.
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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2015, 01:37:20 AM »
Assange loves to spread the fear of assassination towards himself and anyone remotely associated with him including Snowden. I think that Assange leans more towards the USG being the only ones that assassinate anyone though. 



    When I was referring to some think that Snowden will die in Russia by Russians, I was thinking of how Michael Hayden
actually stated that Snowden will die in Russia. Hayden is the former Director of the NSA. I thought I read that he said that in the past....
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Re: Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2015, 06:59:11 AM »
Assange loves to spread the fear of assassination towards himself and anyone remotely associated with him including Snowden. I think that Assange leans more towards the USG being the only ones that assassinate anyone though.


Yep, like a true martyr type narcissist.  Although, if he is in the spy trade, he is a bad selection.  They prefer psychopaths.   I wonder whether they will finish him, once he has achieved what he has set out to do.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2015, 14:52:10 PM »
They prefer psychopaths.

I totally disagree with that point. do you ever have been seen or heard about an job interview, for US Agency´s from FBI to CIA and etc?
You have to go through multiple assessments, tests. it´s one of the hardest jobs to get an place at such an agency´s academy. this people are no psychopaths at all. the selection of individuals is a very long process.

also talking about spies.

A spy is someone who works for an foreign intelligence Service in his country e.g. A Russian working for the CIA is a spy. A person working at CIA Headquarter is an officer.
A very good book I have from the CIA´s famous list of books ( :) ) - about how spying worked in the past (and still today) The Main Enemy: The Inside Story of the CIA's Final Showdown with the KGB - besides those boring wikileaks books where one guy with no idea about how spying works (yes Julian Assange knows zero about spying he just owns documents he sells in a book later..) this is a real worth a look. written from people who have the knowledge.

Off course a spy can be a psychopath and everything you know about your asset can be useful. but it´s not that every person connected to an intelligence service is a psychopath.

the reason for this is. We All would be dead today. Died long ago in a nuclear war which those spies, officers, (we will never know their names. they mostly end up as a star on wall), prevented in the midst of the cold war.
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