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Title: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: runa on February 27, 2011, 15:27:11 PM

Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik#)

short and concise version

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0#)


Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com (http://collateralmurder.com)
Title: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Chrysamere on March 02, 2011, 21:18:42 PM
I've watched this video twice. Even now I remain speechless. That's why I'm creating this thread to know what you people think about it (Sadly, we can't seem to be able to post on the original video thread from this section).
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Valgor on March 03, 2011, 01:29:06 AM
I could not make it through the whole video.  Once they started shotting I had to turn it off.  Stuff like that is so disgusting and I get so pissed off when I see it.
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Chrysamere on March 03, 2011, 01:32:25 AM
I first watched this on Christmas Eve... There was definitely no partying for me after all that..
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Dfg on March 03, 2011, 01:33:09 AM
I was angry at those ****** protesting. I even wrote a guide about it. Reddit Linked (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/formp/fighting_the_revolution_guide_to_killing_the/)

The thing is I find it hard to feel pity for them. It's just me. But do read the guide for full details.



Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Chrysamere on March 03, 2011, 01:41:08 AM
I read your guide completely and I agree with the 3 first paragraphs, the whole religion and sheeps thing. As for the rest of it, I admit that I feel wierd about it. But, I have to say that I live in Canada, therefore I don't know how is life there in Pakistan so I can't quite understand everything you said.
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Valgor on March 03, 2011, 02:02:49 AM
Yeah, same thing.  I don't understand it after the first few paragraphs.  I've never been in situation.  Plus, I don't know how that related to this thread.

Also, starting out calling your audience idiots is a guaranteed way to make people not read your post.  Calling religious people idiots has nothing to do with the purpose of your article.
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: MoHAlixPr on March 03, 2011, 03:59:46 AM
Honestly the first engagement is somewhat understandable.  I don't support war of this sort but I can see how mistakes were made.  The part that I feel strongly about is the second engagement on the house.

Those kinds of Rules of Engagement don't make sense from a moral standpoint and a practical standpoint.  How do you think you're supposed to win a war against insurgents by antagonizing the civilian populace like that?  Blowing up and entire building simply because an armed individual walks in it will just breed more insurgents.
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: Exdefensecontractor on March 08, 2011, 04:24:26 AM
  How do you think you're supposed to win a war against insurgents by antagonizing the civilian populace like that?  Blowing up and entire building simply because an armed individual walks in it will just breed more insurgents.

Agree! In fact ... It will breed a generation of people with an axe to grind ..... I would be pretty upset that's for sure.
There is nothing pretty about war .... But that doesn't mean there are not boundaries to stay inside.
Title: Re: The "Comments" Topic
Post by: owen_traft on April 26, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I have just witnessed this video on collateralmurder.com and I do not think I have the adequate words to convey exactly how this video made me feel. Horrified. Disgusted. Ashamed. These words do not seem to emote my true feelings. After all is said and done the truth is all we have. Only in my wildest dreams will the people involved be held accountable for their heinous crimes against humanity. Viva La Truth.

OT
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: zomNick on September 20, 2011, 13:06:10 PM
OMG. I stopped at 3mins of the 1st video   :( :(

So this is a weapon for then now?
(http://us.cdn4.123rf.com/168nwm/editorialz/editorialz1009/editorialz100900100/7860830-zoom-lens--digital-camera-on-white.jpg)
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: NeverQuit01 on October 29, 2011, 14:39:17 PM
I would say im speechless but dumbfounded is more suiting.
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: michellem06 on November 04, 2011, 05:29:26 AM
I watched both versions of this video and made my own summary of it.  One of the things that upsets me the most is that this doesn't surprise me at all. I think that, aside from the fact that the UK demanded the US army to release them this video - and I'm sure the US assumed (or hoped) it would never be released to the public, the only reason they did eventually give in to the demands is because to them - out of all the horrible things they do at war - this is nothing compared to the rest. 
What I can't get over is how the US soldiers are actually laughing! "Look at those dead bastards! Nice!" Says one of them......
They are begging their superior to let them fire, "come on, let us shoot!"
These men are the perfect illustration of how war is just fun and games to them.  It's like a real life video game..here is the dialect at the end of the second shooting, on the building, "There it goes! Look at that b*tch go!" "Patoosh!" "Ah, sweet!" "Does it look good?"

In Australia there is a new advertisement for joining the army.  I can't find it on youtube anywhere to show you, and I switch the channel every time they come on, but the first few seconds shows someone sitting in an office at the photocopier or something, and someone says "tired of your boring 9-5 job?"  The ad then goes on to show how 'fun' the army is.
And that's just it.  That's how they are recruiting people these days - not to fight for your country or anything like that (not that I agree with that in any way whatsoever anyway) - but to have fun - to escape from your boring life - to be different to everyone else.  And that is the attitude of all these soldiers - they go there to shoot at things (as they see people) and blow up things and be all "manly".

It is sickening.  I am so glad this video was released.  I am trying to spread it around as much as I can.  The trouble is so many people attitude to life is ignorance is bliss.  My dad doesn't even watch bad things on the news, like police brutality, because it is "unhealthy" to watch.  That also sadens me!  But thank you, wikileaks, for releasing this video!
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: vocal maj on November 18, 2011, 16:46:41 PM
Hi michellem06, I served in the RAAF from 1995-2001, and was fortunate never to have served in a conflict zone. over the time of service my attitude changed ( i guess my outlook matured a little), and i realised that as thankful as i was for the training i received( i can fix aeroplanes :) ) i was glad that i didnt have to be involved in conflict, as i dont belive in it. dont forget that a very few people make a lot of money out of wars, and to them seeing people killed means more dollars, its very sad. as for your dad turning off the news, i am still waiting for the nightly news title to be changed to its true identity, that is "the bad news" as that is all it ever seems to show. Take heart that there are more and more people each day discovering that we have a voice, and that the majority should be put before the minority, if you dont believe me just look in a dictionary. <3
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: SwedishGirl on February 07, 2012, 12:49:27 PM
The second viewing of this footage is no easier than the first. I have heard that a shot or shots to the stomach are the most painful of all. So we have a small female child who is waiting for help in the arms of the comrade of the one who shot her in the first place. They should have sent that glefully shooting soldier down to hold her while she screamed in agony. He needed to look into the eyes of his victim in order to learn a good lesson. Those are people, real people you are killing. This is not a video game, son. I wish you no ill will. You are a boy who has been trained to kill and so you did. You were brainwashed into a killing machine. And kill you did. This is not a video game, son. This is not a video game. You learned that on the day this footage was taken. I don't think you will have a good nights rest for a very long time. I took care of veterans of war in a nursing home. They are in their seventies and eighties and they still suffer from the nightmares of what they did and regret.  :'(
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: Schlafendwolf on February 08, 2012, 23:01:25 PM
I believe the Collateral Murder video is perhaps the most important release from Wikileaks.

We have to remember that, at the time this video was leaked - the coalition was informing the general public of how they were building new schools and hospitals. Winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi's. Giving them their first opportunity of a democracy affording them freedom from persecution and tyranny. The mainstream media supported and reinforced that message with pathetic news clips showing happy, rejoicing Iraqi's.

It was all a huge, dirty lie. But how do you prove it when your governments lies to you. The media lies to you. The military lies to you.

Then Wikileaks distributed the Collateral Murder video. It was a game changer. You will notice that the video contains no opinions, no accusations, no interpretations. Just the raw video with minor text clarifying the conversation which is hard to discern. And as much as the content is horrifying, their is a subconscious message ... they are lying to you !

But for me there is a further, extremely disturbing side to this issue and the lies that surrounded it.

The helicopter gunship, the bullets, the soldiers, in fact everyone and everything associated with this heart breaking episode, has been paid for by you. Either by direct or indirect taxation. Tyrannical governments didnt pay for this, the rich elite didnt pay for this, the military didnt pay for this ... we did.

And it disturbs me profoundly to think that every time I fill my car with fuel, every time I pay my income tax, every time I buy some shoes, I am , as a small part of a collective, paying for an evil machine to murder, maim, and destroy lives around the world.

And it is why I will not rest until this sick, depraved pseudo democratic system is utterly destroyed.
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: Jerbar on February 08, 2012, 23:56:49 PM
I believe the Collateral Murder video is perhaps the most important release from Wikileaks.

  I have to agree with you. The way that this video was able to reach so many- in it's raw visual truth. With the attention span of every human being becoming shorter and shorter by the day- no one wants to take the time to read lengthy written documents the old fashioned way anymore.  I am glad Wikileaks released it and thank the brave person who gave it to them.   
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: LoveFights on February 29, 2012, 14:19:40 PM
I believe the Collateral Murder video is perhaps the most important release from Wikileaks.

We have to remember that, at the time this video was leaked - the coalition was informing the general public of how they were building new schools and hospitals. Winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi's. Giving them their first opportunity of a democracy affording them freedom from persecution and tyranny. The mainstream media supported and reinforced that message with pathetic news clips showing happy, rejoicing Iraqi's.

It was all a huge, dirty lie. But how do you prove it when your governments lies to you. The media lies to you. The military lies to you.

Then Wikileaks distributed the Collateral Murder video. It was a game changer. You will notice that the video contains no opinions, no accusations, no interpretations. Just the raw video with minor text clarifying the conversation which is hard to discern. And as much as the content is horrifying, their is a subconscious message ... they are lying to you !

But for me there is a further, extremely disturbing side to this issue and the lies that surrounded it.

The helicopter gunship, the bullets, the soldiers, in fact everyone and everything associated with this heart breaking episode, has been paid for by you. Either by direct or indirect taxation. Tyrannical governments didnt pay for this, the rich elite didnt pay for this, the military didnt pay for this ... we did.

And it disturbs me profoundly to think that every time I fill my car with fuel, every time I pay my income tax, every time I buy some shoes, I am , as a small part of a collective, paying for an evil machine to murder, maim, and destroy lives around the world.

And it is why I will not rest until this sick, depraved pseudo democratic system is utterly destroyed.
Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: Signhilde on September 11, 2012, 10:16:22 AM
Swedish translation
Tillstånd att anfalla: Wikileaks video “Collateral murder” undersökt
 
"This article has been translated by a volunteer translator. Neither WL  or The Official WikiLeaks Forum shall be held accountable for errors.  The reader is welcome to check him/herself the original source linked  below, and to comment if there is an error or misinterpretation. If an  error is identified we shall endevour to correct it"

Original Article: http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/30/permission-to-engage-wikileaks-collateral-murder-footage-examined/

30 augusti 2012 av Alex Morris publicerad i All Stories, Bureau Recommends 
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Lugnet före stormen: ögonblicken innan Crazyhorse öppnade eld mot obeväpnade civilpersoner (Källa: Wikileaks)
Den 12 juli 2007 sköt en amerikansk apachehelikopter åtskilliga civilpersoner i en incident som chockade världen när videon från händelsen publicerades av visselblåsarsajten, Wikileaks.

Videon, som filmades från en helikopter, visar människor som flyr mot några byggnader för att sätta sig i säkerhet och som förföljs. Sedan sprängs byggnaderna i luften. Attacken resulterade i 12 döda civilpersoner, bland dem en journalist och en fotograf från Reuters.

I “Tillstånd att anfalla” spårar Al Jazeera upp offrens familjer och en tidigare USA-soldat för att berätta historien bakom Wikileaks film ”Collateral murder”.

Men videon som läcktes till Wikileaks är bara en av åtskilliga incidenter som rör en enhet med beteckningen ”Crazyhorse”. Den här speciella incidenten på filmen rör ”Crazyhorse 18”. Genom telegram läckta till Wikileaks som en del av dokumentsamlingen från Irakkriget, spårar Al Jazeera åtskilliga andra incidenter som rör enheter med samma beteckning. Många av dessa attacker resulterade också i dödsoffer bland civila, eller ”collateral” skada som de kallas av USA:s militärer.

Bara fyra dagar efter att två journalister från Reuters dödades, inträffade en annan incident i vilken 14 civilpersoner skadades svårt i en operation där två militärhelikoptrar kallade ”Crazyhorze 20” och ”Crazyhorse 21” var inblandade.

I februari 2007 dödades två irakiska upprorsmän efter att ha försökt kapitulera för en beväpnad militärhelikopter. Soldaterna ombord på ”Crazyhorse 18” fick juridisk rådgivning från en närliggande militärbas: ”Advokat fastslår att de inte kan kapitulera för ett flygplan och fortfarande är giltiga måltavlor”. Männen flydde till ett skjul i närheten efter att deras truck beskjutits med brandbomber. Männen dödades några minuter senare, när skjulet förstördes av fler bomber.

Pseudonymen ”Crazyhorse” har sina rötter i USA:s arméhistoria. En operation ”Crazyhorse” ägde rum i Vietnam 1966, sedan en nordvietnamesisk plan att lägga sig i bakhåll för en amerikansk fotpatrull hade uppsnappats. Omkring 250 amerikanska soldater från två luftburna bataljoner besegrade och dödade 500 nordvietnamesiska soldater i en intensiv eldstrid.
Befälhavaren för en av dessa bataljoner, kapten Mozey, instruerade sina män att sätta ett kort ”Död från ovan” på varje fiende de dödade. ”Död från ovan” och ”crazyhorse” refererade båda till och gjordes berömda av den våghalsiga överstelöjtnant Bill Kilgore i ”Apocalypse now”. Al Jazeera Dokumentär talar med folk som direkt drabbats av den obekymrade, vårdslösa naturen hos helikopterpiloter i ”crazyhorse” bataljonen för att producera en gripande och personlig berättelse från videon.

Ethan McCord är en före detta USA-soldat som blev besviken på irakkriget efter de händelser som skedde den 12 juli 2007. McCord talar genom videon och förklarar att närvaron av Apachehelikoptern kunde försvaras med hänvisning till de problem de hade haft med upprorsmän i området.

Helikoptern öppnar först eld mot en grupp människor och dödar åtta. McCord säger att denna första rådgivning kunde rättfärdigas. ”De följer fortfarande Genève konventionen här… vi är alla i armén tränade i Genèvekonventionens kryphål … vi får lära oss hur vi ska ta hand om oss själva och fängsla individer utan att råka i trubbel. Den ende överlevande från den första omgången av maskingevärseld var journalisten Saeed Chmagh, som fick ett alvarligt skottsår i sitt ben.

”Till en början var han ok. Han bara fortsatte att krypa mot ett hus i Amin, förklarar Chmaghs änka. ”En skåpbil stannade för att ta honom till sjukhus. De såg att han var sårad.”

Skåpbilens förare var på väg till sin brors hus med sina barn. ”Vi såg en sårad man som låg på torget, min far stannade för att hjälpa honom”, förklarar förarens son i dokumentären. ”Han gick ut ur bilen och amerikanarna öppnade eld.” Båda barnen sårades i denna andra attack, men överlevde; föraren Saeed och en annan civil person dödades.
I den andra attacken, som dödade ytterligare fyra personer, verkar de amerikanska soldaterna döda räddarna. ”Det är här jag börjar få problem”, slutar McCord. ”Detta följer inte reglerna för en insats, de förskönar information och det är fel; detta utgör ett krigsbrott.

Markpatruller dyker upp på scenen; McCord är bland dem. Han är skarpt belyst i videon när han drar ut förarens son ur bilen och bär honom till sin stridsvagn.

”En viktig vändpunkt var när jag drog ut dessa barn ur skåpbilen”, förklarar McCord. ”Jag slutade avlossa mitt vapen, jag slutade slå folk i onödan.

Det var den punkt då jag insåg att vad vi höll på att göra var fel.” Ethan McCord fann det svårt att stå ut med vad han sett och gjort i Irak, men saker och ting blev inte bättre sedan han äntligen kommit hem. ”Skulden och ångern och allting och ni vet jag blev inlagd på sjukhus, jag försökte begå självmord när jag kom hem.”

”Med sådan pina, kan vänskap vara för mycket begärt, men snälla acceptera vår ursäkt, vår sorg, vår omsorg och vår vilja till förändring”, skriver McCord och den amerikanska exsoldaten Josh Stever, i ett brev till änkan efter föraren som dödades av ”crazyhorsehelikoptern”.

”Jag accepterar hans ursäkt men vad gott är det för mig?” frågar änkan.”Han kan inte ge mig tillbaka vad jag förlorat. Vad är meningen?”

Title: Re: Collateral Murder Footage
Post by: DiscipleDelta on December 25, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
The Person who engaged (CrazyHorse) claimed that his reason to engage was because he spotted an RPG threat towards his friendly units. Human common sense says that he should have requested permission to engage AFTER spotting the threat, however, Crazy Horse's first permission request was BEFORE the spot, this is the transcript: http://collateralmurder.com/en/transcript.html
 
And here is the proof [from thetranscript]:
 
First Permission request toengage: at 01:43
 
Spotting the RPG: at 02:10-02:11
 
Crazy Horse's excuse: at15:28-15:36
 
 
 
Wikileaks's chat is down, that'swhy I'm posting this here. If you don't think I'm wrong, then please spread this truth everywhere. Correct me if I'm wrong.