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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2015, 17:14:02 PM »
This forum is about freedom of information and its origins come from being a place to discuss anything WikiLeaks. Julian Assange and his cult attacked this forum for keeping the name WikiLeaks when it decided to allow all things to be discussed about Assange even things that were critical.

 The forum stood strong on this issue because as you say it would loose its original google standing it was built on, but also because it does contain a huge amount of WikiLeaks material and tons of discussion about the subject of WikiLeaks. Almost all other WikiLeaks websites are for information and do not have an interactive platform for discussion.

 I still thumb my nose at all the whiny little Assange cultist that claim this forum is a fraud because it did not materialize into a place to worship Assange and glorify him. The forum is about WIKILEAKS not ASSANGE. I wish the bone heads would get a clue someday. WikiLeaks was an idea, Assange is just the self serving narcissist that tried to use its idea for his own purposes.

 The owner of the forum is none of any ones business. If anyone thinks that is harsh, you yourself should try to be the owner and suddenly become the main target of a bunch of vile vindictive Assange cultists that will try to gut you personally, professionally, in any way they can. The owner is providing a platform for us to discuss things we are interesting in discussing at their own risk. The only thing the owner is required to do is stay within the law of the guidelines of web site ownership and pay the money required to host it. Nothing more.
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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2015, 17:29:27 PM »
...and as far as the twitter account remaining neutral, I do know why it is not neutral. Essentially that account keeps getting attacked, and then attacked and then attacked some more. I personally do not feel like the account represents me because I have my own twitter account. Even though I help staff and support this forum I do not feel like the twitter account represents my own views, it is just who ever might be tweeting for the forum at the time reacting to attacks. 

     I can understand why a member of the forum might be concerned that as a member, the forum twitter account may say something that a member may not agree with and therefore may feel slighted or upset. However the twitter account is an extension of the platform itself to discuss things in general, it is not a bot that just post links on twitter.
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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2015, 17:33:13 PM »
   I still thumb my nose at all the whiny little Assange cultist that claim this forum is a fraud because it did not materialize into a place to worship Assange and glorify him. -quote Riney-



Thank you Riney. I recall somewhere on this forum, somewhere...LOL...God only knows where and under what thread or topic, I said exactly that using different terms. The forum is not about one man and no platform of any kind should be about the mediation of, comtemplation of upholding, or even assassination of one man. It will fail.

The owner of the forum is NONE of my business...and I will never make it my business. As a contributor here to whatever extent I am, I have never thought of that as my business. LOL...it doesn't matter altogether.

WikiLeaks was an idea, Assange is just the self serving narcissist that tried to use its idea for his own purposes.     -Quote Riney-


WikiLeaks was an IDEA. Yes!!! An idea that evolved into something projected on the evening news like Dow Jones...only WikiLeaks was providing alleged secrets instead of stock info. An IDEA. I agree...but sometimes even IDEAS become their own monsters after being hit by the media. Assange is among many narcissts who develop a need for control of their monster...NARCISSM is an evolution that arrives after the effects of being mediated, critiqued by a world. I am not saying ASSANGE was perfect at all, I am saying that NARCISSM is a virus induced by society.  No particular individual affected by it should suffer particular wrath unless he commits murder, steals or plain abuses physically.

The requirements of being a forum owner should not include any more than you mention. Shoot, why should it? We all volunteer to be here, just like we volunteer to be traced by the powers that be, including the NSA, when we sign on to the web. We never got upset, or considered it an invastion of our privacy when TV companies include us in their figures for ratings...we never got upset when the satellite went up and could view everything on earth and focus in, but we get upset if we are prismed by the NSA for our web activities, which INCLUDE the potential to hack, steal, affiliate with porno. Just like with so many other things, we have to suffer with those who will abuse the abilities of the internet, to keep ourselves protected from them.

The Bank asks me for my ID every time I go in. It's for my protection, but it's still a little creepy to think I am being protected and suspected at the same time.


Just thinking out loud...
GOD FORBID THE LIGHTS GO OUT and a zillion brains have to be retrained to function in manual reality.

Does anyone else get the idea that the tweets on the WL account are starting to sound a little like someone is bathing in a bird bath, eating bird food & possibly smoking bird * in his own sphere??

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2015, 18:04:33 PM »
@Elaine

The Wikileaks Forum stands behind the principle of Wikileaks as projected by Assange himself. The Forum hosts 131 pages of thread dedicated to Wikileaks, in Addition the Forum hosts this information in 18 languages.

The Forum also offers translations of most leaks found here http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/the-leaks/470/ into approx 30 languages. Wikileaks supporters have actually translated the COLLATERAL DAMAGE video dialogue from English into Spanish, French, Russian, Italian, German and Polish.

The STRAFOR files http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/languages/263/ have been translated into 24 languages. The list of translations is endless. There are 60 threads alone for the
•Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and 80 threads suggesting ways of raising donations to Wikileaks.
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•The Supporters WikiLeaks Projects board is currently showing approx 160 threads introducing the Projects of other Wikileaks Supporters.
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•All 12 episodes of The World Tomorrow are hosted on the forum, some of which have been translated into 5 languages by Forum staff members and other volunteers.

The Forum also provides Information on Whistleblowers and their political fallout, NSA etc etc....it's all there.

Furthermore, we publish information from all 4 corners of this planet, most of which are hosted in their respective languages. http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/regions/490/
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•The WIkileaks Forum is almost 4 years old. It has grown into the largest open Wikileaks community on the net and welcomes posts on ANY subject in ANY language.
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•We don't ask for donations, we don't allow spam, we don't allow any form of commercialism, we don't have sponsors, or advertisers. We finance this project alone.
About 2 years ago, a small group of Assange fanatics decided to open their own "Wikileaks Supporters Forum". It was a carbon copy of this forum and every effort was made to duplicate our work our ideas and our efforts. Unfortunately the forum failed after only 4 months. It didn't fail because of us,( as suggested ) it failed because freedom of speech was being suppressed. Any form of critique directed at Assange or Wikileaks was instantly deleted and it's members banned for life. Needless to say, their forum became a blog with one way traffic only.

This Forum allows criticism of Assange and Wikileaks, * we even allow criticism of the way we choose to run this forum, but we allow it. So yes, if you have something to say, say it, if you want to praise Assange for his work, please do, but if you choose to question, criticize or scrutinize statements and actions made by Julian Assange, the forum MUST allow space for these opinions to be heard.

We do draw the line when it comes to protecting this forum against attacks on forum staff, members, or their children. Recently, a wave of revolting attacks on forum staff members have been seen in Twitter, mostly from hardened Assange fanatics who can't fathom the fact that not everyone on this planet like Assange; hence, threats of rape and violence against the forum owners children have been made, and yes, we take these very seriously. We ( the forum ) will make every effort to protect the privacy rights of the owner of the domain. We do not give out Information on other admins or mods.

Maybe ask yourself why the forum continues to operate at such a great expense, both financially and personally, who knows, maybe you will find your answers there . . . . . .

other than that, the statistics speak for themselves ---> http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/stats

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2015, 18:45:32 PM »
Koyaan...everything you mention or direct to me is all very obvious to me and very deeply appreciated by myself and I assure myself, many, many others.

MY remarks were not about what the forum offers ...I also understand that some of the original 'information, and work' was done by some of the original members. My personal appreciation goes to the current members as well.

I appreciate the information you put together on this thread in response to my previous posting.

Of course the forum allows critique of Assange and it really should, as I allude to in my previous post.

But maybe there comes a point and time when the overload of critiques adds fuel to the troll fire when simple Marshmallow roasts are no longer allowed without being presumed as a forest fire?

This forum holds a wealth of information as you admit. It is a gold mine of information translated into different languages. Respect. Guarding a goldmine can be a trying thing to do when those who believe or know they had any part in contributions come back to visit....

Thank You.
GOD FORBID THE LIGHTS GO OUT and a zillion brains have to be retrained to function in manual reality.

Does anyone else get the idea that the tweets on the WL account are starting to sound a little like someone is bathing in a bird bath, eating bird food & possibly smoking bird * in his own sphere??

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2015, 18:59:35 PM »
I just add 2 cents ( after switzerland crashed into the market today) 2 euro cents :-P ..

We live in very connected times that we sometimes forget about a world outside the whole internet stuff. we are addicted to it like cats to catnip sometimes. let´s not forget the internet is just a tool real life doesn´t twitter - many times mostly in the wikileaks community some could observe, tools like twitter become a personal (body-) part of everybody - which does not mean it is false or a failure in our evolution but to be honest,

it´s just the internet and sometimes it´s more fun to watch real birds tweeting :-)

oh btw if you are on twitter (we all know we had this before) expect twitter-blabla about forum deletions ;-) old story, nothing new - guys are running out of ideas (nothing special if you forgot the world keeps turning)

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2015, 19:02:28 PM »
Agreed.

I think what happens sometimes when a thread/conversation such as this one keeps building, reading the posts of another ignites the need to respond and it dominoes. Thus, we look like addicts.

I really have to time myself on Twitter now. LOLO! =)
GOD FORBID THE LIGHTS GO OUT and a zillion brains have to be retrained to function in manual reality.

Does anyone else get the idea that the tweets on the WL account are starting to sound a little like someone is bathing in a bird bath, eating bird food & possibly smoking bird * in his own sphere??

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2015, 19:02:55 PM »
@Elaine

thanx for your feedback. The Forum is always open for suggestions and we do our best to address each and every question asked on this particular board.

I would just like to reassure you that there is no "overload of critique" on this Forum. The Forums data base currently hosts 66,041 unique posts of which no more than 300 are critical of Assange and/ or Wikileaks. In mathmatical terms, that's about 0.45% of all posts. Even if it were 600 negative Posts, that would be 0.9%.

I love maths :-)

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2015, 19:06:36 PM »
I would just like to reassure you that there is no "overload of critique" on this Forum. The Forums data base currently hosts 66,041 unique posts of which no more than 300 are critical of Assange and/ or Wikileaks. In mathmatical terms, that's about 0.45% of all posts. Even if it were 600 negative Posts, that would be 0.9%.
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Good...then I'll just keep blending out the critiques of Assange with my NSA article BS. LOL! (Don't take that comment seriously, I just had to interject.) Te he. Laughing as I go...
GOD FORBID THE LIGHTS GO OUT and a zillion brains have to be retrained to function in manual reality.

Does anyone else get the idea that the tweets on the WL account are starting to sound a little like someone is bathing in a bird bath, eating bird food & possibly smoking bird * in his own sphere??

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2015, 09:51:24 AM »
...and as far as the twitter account remaining neutral, I do know why it is not neutral. Essentially that account keeps getting attacked, and then attacked and then attacked some more. I personally do not feel like the account represents me because I have my own twitter account. Even though I help staff and support this forum I do not feel like the twitter account represents my own views, it is just who ever might be tweeting for the forum at the time reacting to attacks.

 I can understand why a member of the forum might be concerned that as a member, the forum twitter account may say something that a member may not agree with and therefore may feel slighted or upset. However the twitter account is an extension of the platform itself to discuss things in general, it is not a bot that just post links on twitter.

but why then the WL forum account on Twitter is attacking pseudo-pro-wikileaks accounts and claiming there are owned by Wikileaks staff?
I don't understand why the forum is trying to provoke this debate on Twitter?

if you're just a forum, a collective account, the person who tweeted this thing should tweet these attacks on her/his personal twitter account - and not use a collective account as a a way to express a personal point of view.

that's the problem

and also, why are you constantly asking those pro-wikileaks accounts (claiming they are fanatics, while it's not proved, because you don't know why these people are saying this)- about the swedish affair?
even if the forum tweets the link to the articles posted on the forum, it doesn't mean that the forum has to engage in discussions on Twitter and taking a side on the debate
> because it sounds like there's an official point of view coming from the forum, while you pretend neutrality

> yesterday I was blocked by the forum, however it's strange that the forum blocks people who asks few questions about their link with Wikileaks, while the forum is not blocking anymore Assange "fanatics" and regularly engaging long useless debate with them on stupid subjects ...
it's a really strange atmosphere...
you prefer discussing with Assange "trolls" rather than with people having serious questions?
that's why I have so much doubts now about the forum
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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2015, 09:57:49 AM »

Maybe ask yourself why the forum continues to operate at such a great expense, both financially and personally, who knows, maybe you will find your answers there . . . . . .

other than that, the statistics speak for themselves ---> http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/stats

Sorry, it says "you are not allowed to view the statistics"

I think this page is private
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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2015, 13:54:39 PM »

If you're just a forum, a collective account, the person who tweeted this thing should tweet these attacks on her/his personal twitter account - and not use a collective account as a a way to express a personal point of view.

that's the problem


It's not a Problem

I've asked aruond and it seems no one blocked a twitter account called "kimono"

As much as no one tells you what you are allowed or not allowed to tweet from your account, you have no right to dictate what we tweet, nor should it be of any concern to you.

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2015, 13:58:00 PM »
... the twitter account has another name... anyway...

The statistics are visible for me, strange you can't see them.

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I think whatever I wanted to say on yesterday has been awesomely said by everybody, from different prospectives.

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I was reflecting on "neutrality" and "support".
Supporting WikiLeaks as it was created for, at the beginning, means supporting truth, freedom of information, of expression and transparency (in respect of the privacy).
So I find perfectly normal that when a WL supporter finds lack of transparency & even corruption inside how WL/Assange are dealing with their own volunteers, and one sees Assange is completely silent on the fact important endorsed WL supporters/volunteers bully and stalk other volunteers... when Assange keeps being silent on the fact his cooperators like @shafpatel and @cabledrummer stalk and even send threats (than try to cover them by deleting the intimidatory tweets!)... Well, at this point "Supportive and Neutral" means reporting the wrongdoing.
Staying silent/doing nothing in front of an injustice means letting the wrongdoing continue.
Neutrality also means one is perfectly free of disagreeing with the personal views, and here some of us are doing; or are facing the things from another prospective.

I certain times told I'd prefer the WLF account to tweet the posts and the "breaking news", better than the opinion of the person who is tweeting at the moment. But this is just my opinion. Such decisions on how to tweet are of the admin team and the owner: if they decide on their site this is the most correct thing to be done, than ok. It's their own freedom of expression on twitter. And it's not my personal account.

I also have a personal account on twitter (two, actually), and I can express my ideas there, as myself.

There are situations where not taking a decision means supporting lies. Total neutrality isn't always possible unless risking to support a wrongdoing.

" it sounds like there's an official point of view coming from the forum, while you pretend neutrality "

It sounds also to me.
And I don't feel about asking for the opposite, honestly.
When one sees a wrongdoing, than the coverup of the wrongdoing or staying silent over it, than spreading falsities, by an account @wikileaks that pretends to support transparency and truth... I would see as a bad thing if the aware people staied silent.
When she was active, Assange C. has often asked people incl. Jemima Khan to only talk about these issues in private, not in public... This is more or less what I understand is happening between the WL volunteers, also about serious issues like having an Assange that wants a veto power over the WLParty that is lead by MANY persons, not just one... Should people stay silent?... Well if they speak they get bullied (it even happened to WAKA, directly by @wikileaks).
This totally betrays the WikiLeaks principals.

If Assange has changed inside and wants to hide forever, he can do; but he has that what he "teached" to his supporters is now being practised: they speak out.

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"attacking" ... is "criticizing" the 99,9% of the times or sometimes  "provocating2, in my opinion...
Can I reverse the question?
"Why are WikiLeaks volunteers or supporters since 2012 stalking and threatening the WLF staffers or members or supporters? And Why Assange has NEVER spent a word to condemn this very negative behaviour?"

What the forum account does is generally criticism. Provocatory criticism, also, may be. Wich doesn't neutralize the conversation. It causes debate. It's a forum.

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"blocked by the forum" ...on twitter you were pretending to know who is the owner...
One gets tired at a certain point I guess... (my opinion).

Every 2-3 months the same people come out with the very same questions: "Who is the owner?" "Why are you attacking"... It's a circle.

About ownership: at the beginning of this site nobody knew who was the owner; WikiLeaks was protecting the identity and the personal info of whatever staffer of this forum; the WL team was aware of the risks of being eventually exposed.
Nobody would never have known who was the previous owner and staff-team, unless fanatics, after endorsed by Assange, had published it on their sites.
It has become a habitude to ask "who is the owner" because of the stalkers.
If we go on a whatever other site, we go there for the site, not to ask for the identity of the staffers.
The main thing is that the site works well.
This works well, very well. I don't see any reason to stalk the owner by seeking his/her personal info.
Our personal info. can happily stay OUT of the internet life.
I agree with admins saying that identities are "none of our business". We can interact with the avatars. This is "another dimension", not "MaterialLand".

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... WikiLeaks itself has born as "an exception": because it's illegal to publish secret documents... unless you do this in the interest of the rest of the humanity to denounce wrongdoings...

But the action is "technically wrong".
What makes a leak a good leak is the fact that it is Helping.

I think it also applies on the concept of neutrality. There are issues where you can't shut up.

And leaking does Not apply to "personal data sharing" of persons that have done nothing bad; they have done nothing but Talking and Thinking.
What some extremist WL fans -in my opinion supported by Assange- are trying to do, is applying the "leaking" concept to the personal data of persons they disagree with that have done nothing but being themselves and talking. And after they threaten these people by telling they would hurt their families.
For revenge. Like the mafia. It's a snake that bites its tale: they ask (pretend) for the info on the critics, than they ignite fanatics against them.
One must speak out.
And one needs privacy protection to avoid this.

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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2015, 15:55:06 PM »
"because it sounds like there's an official point of view coming from the forum, while you pretend neutrality"

     Who is pretending neutrality? I see the forum as a platform for discussion, allowing all points of discussion, and not taking a clear stand one way or the other. The tweets may sound one sided when they are defending the forum, because of course the forum is going to defend itself, from many points, because it is being attacked from many sides. 

     I think people have a strong need to define and label things. The forum needs to either be pro this, or anti that. If you are thinking that the forum is neutral on all stands, you are either wanting it to be that way, or feel the need to force it to conform to some social standard. I do not see the forum taking a stand except when it is in some way having to defend itself. 

     As far as someone tweeting with their own personal twitter account, good luck with that. That would be extremely dangerous since the Assange cult is known to attack anyone that they can with an actual name. They threaten, degrade, coerce, intimidate, and exploit anyone that they can find that does not worship Assange like they do. 

     The fight for the freedom of speech by this forum has gotten nasty. It is because the cult has turned it into an Assange worshiping game, and that turns out to not be about freedom of speech at all. It is never going to be a nice neutral utopia of discussion again. 

     On the other hand, if you want to point fingers at non neutrality, point at the true source. Assange has manipulated and politicized the official WikiLeaks twitter account like no other source of information I have ever seen. WikiLeaks does claim to be neutral and just and collects a lot of money from donations that they claim they use only for the common good. It turns out to be a way for Assange to collect funds to further is own interest.
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Re: The Twitter account?
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2015, 15:55:55 PM »
It still says:

 
 "An Error Has Occurred!
 
 You aren't allowed to view the forum statistics."

maybe they just blocked me because I ask too many questions about this forum...

no problem, I have my own blog and my own statistics :)

well, once again, I see that the forum doesn't block the supposed Wikileaks "trolls" on Twitter like gerge42 or other accounts.
those accounts don't give any kind of interesting info about the Wikileaks case, and they don't add any element to the current debate

this is a sterile debate, while I thought it was more interesting to ask: if Wikileaks was a governmental operation/owned by secret services, would they have an interest to make us think that the WL forum is their enemy?

do you think Wikileaks tried to censor this forum, for allowing posting articles denouncing Wikileaks as a governmental psyop?
or is it just that by accusing this forum of being infiltrated by the FBI, maybe Wikileaks tried to hide that they are themselves infiltrated by FBI (Sabu & other informants) or other secret agencies?...

I know the forum Twitter account was nervous against me, but I have to ask those questions! seeking the truth is something common to all Wikileaks supporters! :)
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