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The Kremlin Admits Snowden is a Russian Agent
« on: July 02, 2016, 13:28:01 PM »
The Kremlin Admits Snowden is a Russian Agent

July 2, 2016

In the three years since Edward Snowden landed in Moscow, his relationship with his hosts has been a source of much speculation and controversy. The American IT contractor, who worked for the CIA and NSA until he fled Hawaii with more than a million purloined secret files, has not left Russia since he arrived at Sheremetyevo airport on 23 June 2013, on a flight from Hong Kong.

Snowden landed in Moscow with the permission of the Russian government, whose representatives he met during his sojourn in Hong Kong that lasted more than three weeks. He became so friendly with them that he actually celebrated his 30th birthday at the Russian consulate!

On the run from prosecution in the USA, Snowden received asylum from Vladimir Putin. Although Snowden recently indicated he would like a pardon from President Barack Obama before he leaves office in January, there’s no indication that will happen. The White House only a month ago explained that it considers Snowden to be a criminal, so any pardon seems like a fantasy.

Then there is the messy question of Snowden’s ties with the Kremlin. To anybody acquainted with the world of espionage, particularly when it involves Russians, Snowden is a defector and his collaboration with Moscow’s security agencies is a sure thing – as I explained recently.

Experts on the Kremlin’s powerful intelligence apparatus, what Russians call the “special services,” have no doubt that collaboration is a matter of simple quid pro quo. Any Western intelligence official who receives sanctuary in Russia will share what he knows with his hosts: there is no choice in the matter.

Snowden and his representatives have insisted that he is no collaborator. The official story is that Snowden arrived in Moscow with none of the classified documents he stole from NSA, and he refused to share secrets with Russian intelligence. According to Wikileaks, which told Snowden to flee to Moscow, the defector was approached by Russian spies after his arrival in their country, but refused to spill secrets.

Since Wikileaks itself is now more or less openly a front for the Kremlin, with its head Julian Assange mouthing pro-Putin propaganda with increasing frequency, there’s no reason to take its claims about Snowden seriously – particularly given Assange’s admitted role in getting the American to Moscow in the first place.

Nobody I know in Western intelligence circles believes any of these claims of Snowden’s innocence. If he has not collaborated with Russia’s special services, he would be the very first defector since 1917 not to do so. There are no indications that Vladimir Putin, who publicly called Snowden a “strange guy”and is not known for giving anything away for free, is that charitable.

Snowden’s relationship with Russian intelligence was in the public eye recently when the issue arose during the German parliament’s special investigative commission on NSA. Last month, Hans-Georg Maassen, the head of German domestic intelligence, created a stir when he explained that, in reality, Snowden is very likely a Russian agent.
Gerhard Schindler, the head of German foreign intelligence, went further, explaining that Snowden is “a traitor” and “He has become a plaything of the FSB – which is anything but good” – the FSB being the Federal Security Service, Russia’s powerful and unsavory domestic intelligence agency.

Although these statements should not be controversial, since Snowden has been in Russia for three years and shows no signs of leaving Putin’s protection, his defenders objected to such commonsense pronouncements by Germany’s security leadership. However, Snowden did himself no favors by suddenly being able to tweet in fluent German – a language he seems to have learned overnight – which bolstered the case that he is the plaything of the FSB.

Now, the Kremlin has settled the issue once and for all by stating that Edward Snowden is indeed their man. In a remarkable interview this week, Franz Klintsevich, a senior Russian security official, explained the case matter-of-factly: “Let’s be frank. Snowden did share intelligence. This is what security services do. If there’s a possibility to get information, they will get it.”

With this, Klintsevich simply said what all intelligence professionals already knew – that Snowden is a collaborator with the FSB. That he really had no choice in the matter once he set foot in Russia does not change the facts.

Klintsevich is no idle speculator. He is a senator who has served in the State Duma for nearly a decade. More importantly, he is the deputy chair of the senate’s defense and security committee, which oversees the special services. The 59-year-old Klintsevich thus has access to many state secrets – for instance regarding the Snowden case.
He is also a retired Russian army colonel, having served 22 years in the elite Airborne Forces (VDV). Klintsevich saw action in Afghanistan in the 1980s with the VDV and, based on a careful reading of his biography, appears to have served with GRU, that is military intelligence (his work in “special propaganda” in Afghanistan and his 1991 graduation from the Lenin Military-Political Academy are indications of his GRU affiliation).

Klintsevich is not a well-known figure outside Russia – he appeared in the Western press briefly in 2012 with his short-lived idea to buy Hitler’s birth house in Braunau, in order to destroy it – but he is a well-connected member of the Kremlin’s ruling elite. Given his senate committee position and his GRU past, there is no doubt that Klintsevich is considered nash (“ours”) by Russia’s special services.

His statement outing Snowden’s relationship with the Kremlin therefore cannot be an accident or a slip of the tongue. For whatever reason, Putin has decided to out Snowden as the collaborator that he actually is – and has been for three years already.

One reason for this may be Snowden’s recent tepid criticism via Twitter of Russia’s draconian new laws on domestic surveillance – which vastly exceed any of the activities of the Western democracies that Snowden has so strongly criticized from his FSB hideaway. Indeed, his hosts finally allowing their American collaborator to tweet negatively about Russia – many had noted Snowden’s silence on FSB repression and worse – may be a sign that the defector has outlived his usefulness.

In truth, Snowden was never all that well informed about American intelligence. Contrary to the myths that he and his mouthpieces have propagated, he was no more than an IT systems administrator. Snowden was never any sort of bona fide spy. There are no indications he really understands most of what he stole from NSA.

The FSB therefore milked Snowden of any valuable information rather quickly. He likely had little light to shed on the million-plus secret files he stole. Instead, his value to Moscow has been as a key player in Kremlin propaganda designed to discredit the Western intelligence alliance.

In that role, Snowden has done a great deal of damage to the West. But he was never a “mole” for Moscow inside NSA. In reality, the Snowden Operation is probably a cover to deflect attention from the one or more actual Russian moles who have been lurking inside NSA for years, undetected.

Based on the cases of previous Western intelligence defectors to Moscow, Edward Snowden faces an unhappy future. Whatever happens to him is up to his hosts, who control all aspects of any defector’s life. There no longer can be any honest debate about his relationship with the Kremlin, which has settled the matter once and for all. Putin and his special services consider Snowden to be nash – there is no question about that now.

(This article originally appeared in BILD in German, you can read that here.)
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Re: The Kremlin Admits Snowden is a Russian Agent
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 13:44:42 PM »
I forgot link here it is:
https://20committee.com/2016/07/02/the-kremlin-admits-snowden-is-a-russian-agent/


So... the Kremlin outed your boy Snusnu from Moscow -City seems to be deep shit is is coming up for Eric now. keep close your friends. take a deep breath eddy. you may wish yourself into a american prison if they start playing you out.

oh before I forget. you are an idiot because you trusted wikileaks. you should have gone home.
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Re: The Kremlin Admits Snowden is a Russian Agent
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 15:22:13 PM »
No doubt in my mind the FSB loved it when Snowden came along.... A person wanting to leak US intelligence secrets that bad. His leaking probably propelled the FSB's work on trying to obtain those secrets years forward. In fact, it probably gave them more information than they were ever going to be able to obtain on their own.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 15:31:20 PM »
  "This is the battle cry of the narcissist, and we’ve heard it before. Western societies are producing more and more of these Lost Boys, the fail-to-launch young men who carry weighty social grudges. Some of them kill, but others lash out in other, more creative ways: whether it’s Edward Snowden deciding only he could save America from the scourge of surveillance, or Bowe Bergdahl walking away from his post to personally solve the war in Afghanistan, the combination of immaturity and grandiosity among these young males is jaw-dropping in its scale even when it is not expressed through the barrel of a gun."


Tom Nichols    The Revenge of the Lost Boys




http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/the-revenge-of-the-lost-boys/
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Re: The Kremlin Admits Snowden is a Russian Agent
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 15:56:50 PM »
No doubt in my mind the FSB loved it when Snowden came along.... A person wanting to leak US intelligence secrets that bad. His leaking probably propelled the FSB's work on trying to obtain those secrets years forward. In fact, it probably gave them more information than they were ever going to be able to obtain on their own.


looking at all the happenings before Snowden arrived in Moscow FSB exposed an CIA spy and shared him in the public news. they (wiki)Leaked the officer. Snowden happened some months later. so there was stuff going on you already learn from the Applebaum speech at 29c3. also if wikileaks is involved you can be sure the show is totally corrupted. the kremlin exposing snowden as a useful "partner" signals to anyone out there who is in bed with them. they are your masters. you have to play their rules or do a Litvinenko.


Snowden was an easy catch for FSB. he was no NSA employee he just have been an Contractor. he just was an systems administrator putting word documents together and clearing your browsers cache. but as sysadmin in an AD-landscape you normally have a lot of access rights. and I am pretty sure that is how he stole a lot of documents. He had a weakness foreign intelligence knew how to deal with. FSB knows EVERYTHING about Snowden. I am sure they know him better than he knows himself .


this is something he should be more freaked out about than the imaginary world wide surveillance.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 17:55:23 PM »
"do a Litvinenko" 

  That reminds me, back when Assange wanted to rush to the Kremin's defense... He bashed the UK for bringing up Litvinenko. He accused the UK/London of playing the "Litvinenko card". 

Assange is such a Putin puppet himself.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2016, 10:35:47 AM »
Assange is such a Putin puppet himself.

sure he is. there are a few people left who believe his lame gossip. in Intelligence Community no one believes the words of Assange and the words of Snowden you hear. this is remarkable. I mean. who would you trust. two figures using the public for their "propaganda-blahblah" or people who have been dealing with the spygames for decades?

if people start believing what Assange and Snowden saying and do not ask questions what their motives are in doing so. you have lost. there always is an "why"?
and you can be pretty sure. it´s not for "the people" for you or a better world.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2016, 20:06:39 PM »
 That reminds me, back when Assange wanted to rush to the Kremin's defense... He bashed the UK for bringing up Litvinenko. He accused the UK/London of playing the "Litvinenko card". 


cards. dots of cards. new Episode:

"....Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, said Tuesday that the allegation is just another “paranoid” attempt by American politicians to play what he called “the Russia card” during the campaign....."

http://nypost.com/2016/07/26/russia-says-us-politicians-are-being-paranoid-over-dnc-hack/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter
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Re: The Kremlin Admits Snowden is a Russian Agent
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2016, 23:00:08 PM »
I found something on Twitter the other day that I found very interesting. It is the discription of the leaks that Snowden put out to the public by Michael Morell, a former deputy director of the CIA...

  "he backed up a virtual tractor trailer and emptied a warehouse full of documents-the vast majority of which he could not possibly have read" 

  The basic message is that if he was truly only wanting to fight against mass surveillance and for privacy he could have easily done that by only forwarding a handful of documents to a major meda outlet. This dump of classified information is far overreaching his claimed intentions. 


 So this speaks more to why Snowden was a gift to the FSB that they could not have imagined beyond their wildest dreams.

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2016, 20:07:07 PM »
Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood.

Hollywood is something the Kremlins perfectly did in the cold war era. Hollywood is what got Snowden made what he did.Being in his eyes The lone warrior for the good. leaking millions of classified files taking refugee in one of the worlds most criminal states which starts the invasion of a European country.

Here is one snip how "hollywood" works in the world of spies.

...But first Stone and Borman had to make sure Kucherena was for real. Borman asked the lawyer to send the book and two first-class tickets to Moscow. Both arrived the next day. In case they still had doubts, Kucherena’s office gave Borman a number to call. On the other end was an employee of the Russian consulate in San Francisco, who turned out to be a big fan of “The Life of David Gale,” a film Borman produced. They were issued visas that same week. (Kucherena denies buying first-class tickets for Stone and Borman or helping expedite their visas.)....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/magazine/edward-snowdens-long-strange-journey-to-hollywood.html

funny hu? having someone at the line who totally loves the movies you made. asking you questions feeding you honey. the good guys. the same good things wikileaks is doing, amIright? people love to eat the sweet stuff because it fits into their picture of the bad guys.

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 15:04:07 PM »
I like that cartoon. It is a funny one.