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Title: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: rote zora on October 02, 2012, 23:46:40 PM
For the sake of transparency

Today I received this e-mail from [email protected]:

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Dear WikiLeaks Friend,

On Wednesday 3rd October at 3am EST (8am London time) WikiLeaks will be
launching a US Federal election related campaign.

Please prepare your credit cards, posters, tweets, Facebook posts and
articles for then and keep us strong. We will send another email around that
time with further details about the campaign.

Regards,
WikiLeaks

Can anyone tell me is it a coincidence with claims made by press.tv on 28th of September?

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Today’s story will involve Julian Assange, Wikileaks, Israel, and the Mossad. Along with Netanyahu, Assange has tried to insert his way into the American election on the side of a losing candidate whose platform is simply war with Iran. Some explanation is needed.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/28/263893/exclusive-assangemossad-ties-unveiled/
 (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/28/263893/exclusive-assangemossad-ties-unveiled/)

Stranger still, WikiLeaks tweeted this four day old article today:

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Mossad agent vs. anti-semite. Exclusive: Assange-Mossad ties unveiled | PressTV http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/28/263893/exclusive-assangemossad-ties-unveiled/ … http://justice4assange.com/donate.html

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253129753450659840 (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253129753450659840)



Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 00:14:56 AM
Well this is a very interesting post for sure and I guess we are within hours of finding out more about this as there is the promise of another email coming soon to explain the details. Well I am intrigued for sure, and thanks for this heads up. 8)
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 00:34:48 AM
....and come to think of it, since we are bringing up coincidences here, is it also a coincidence that this announcement coincides with the first presidential debate of the US national election?

(http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/120120_obama_romney_ap_3282.jpg)

 October 3, 2012
   Topic: Domestic policy
Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
Location: University of Denver in Denver, Colorado (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Jim Lehrer (Host of NewsHour on PBS)
The debate will focus on domestic policy and be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator and announced several weeks before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.

the link:    http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
@rote_zora when I saw this...

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Mossad agent vs. anti-semite. Exclusive: Assange-Mossad ties unveiled | PressTV http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/28/263893/exclusive-assangemossad-ties-unveiled/ … http://justice4assange.com/donate.html

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253129753450659840


... yesterday on fb/twitter I thought "wikileaks has a horrible sense of humor!  ;D 8) ::)" ...the emoticons have to be considered all together because WL hasn't commented anything on this post since this retweet from m_cetera that is obviously joking about wl previous post:

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@m_cetera
Breaking News: Julian #Assange Mossad Agent! He also started WWI, WWII, the Insquisition, and global warming. http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/02/breaking-news-julian-assange-mossad-agent/ …

https://twitter.com/m_cetera/status/253193663746822144

And this other tweet that is clearly a joke:

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@WikiLeaks
Breaking: #Assange "Mossad Agent!" Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/02/breaking-news-julian-assange-mossad-agent/#.UGtuUCx1eFA.twitter …

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253270206594551808

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I have to say that I haven't understood if it was a joke or a "test" to see how many followers were gonna retweet it before reading ;D ... kidding

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Now seriously:

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@WikiLeaks oct. 2 2012 -
WikiLeaks election campaign start embargo ends at Wed 3AM EST

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253269585523007488


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@WikiLeaks oct 2/3 2012 -
Countdown to #WikiLeaks U.S. Election Campaign: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20121003T08&p0=136&fg1=80c2da&fg2=176db3&msg=WikiLeaks+Election+Campaign … … https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253269585523007488 … …

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253298084652650498

... 'still waiting for the U.S. Election Campaign's content: I'm very curious!

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By The Way: WikiLeaks does Journalism, correct?
What has Journalism to do with election campaings?

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Also see this tweet:

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@WikiLeaks oct. 1 2012
Why I refuse to vote for Barack Obama | Atlantic http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/262861/ … http://justice4assange.com

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/252925639793983488

I have seen they have also published stuff about the Romney related cables weeks ago, but now, during the elections, going to post Against Obama isn't that good from a Journalistic organization.

I mean, ok JA's last speech to the UN referring to Obama, his role, his errors etc., because it comes from JA's prospective and in defence of Bradley Manning's rights too, in defence of the human right in general and in coincdence with the UN meeting... But from this to tweet Anti-Obama stuff During (!!!) the elections campaign...
Do the Americans have to vote for Romney, sorry ???

I mean that I think it looks kind of trying to influence the elections.

I don't like to see WL so involved in the US politics.
I would like to see WL tweeting and posting about the Information on the whole world system.

Do they think criticizing Obama (only Obama, so it looks like these last days) will change the situation, the system?
May even be that Obama was really well intentioned -the way a politician can be- in changing the things and he has failed because of the system he was acting in... I'm not justifyng the errors of Obama or the fact that GTMO is still open despite his promises; I'm telling that I think WL should reveal the Informations behind the system that is leading all the World in being so corrupt, so full of violence, so injust.

I don't like the fact that the last tweets are turning to be Politically addressed at all.
Specially During the elections when the American citiziens have to choose their president.
They should be Informed of the Facts (cables, happened events, about both Obama and Romney) - Than they choose whoever they want.

And ok the US politics related facts are influencing all the world so I can a bit understand certain tweets, but have they ever insisted so much for example on China's abuses on human rights? China --> alias the country that has bought a half the US and European countries public debt?! - alias the enormous country that still has concentration camps?! Or have they ever focused on the disastrous EU situation, with levels of always growing poverty dued to the economy lead by "2 cats" and decreasing potential of democratic choices?! ... WL could talk about Many Important situations concerning the global situation.

I think WL should do more Journalism (reporting neutral news) instead of being so involved in US politics stuff, specially avoiding to become a potential politic tool itself.

*my personal partial may be ignorant opinion


Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Irien on October 03, 2012, 09:25:46 AM
Press Statement: In this election, vote with your wallet, Vote WikiLeaks
Wednesday 3rd October, 08:00 BST

“Help WikiLeaks run the United States over the next four years”

WikiLeaks enters U.S. election campaign.

Last Friday, on 28 September, the Pentagon again threatened WikiLeaks. Pentagon spokesman George Little demanded WikiLeaks destroy its publications, including the Iraq War logs which revealed the killings of more than 100,000 civilians. Little said: “continued possession by WikiLeaks of classified information belonging to the United States government represents a continuing violation of law”. The Pentagon also again “warned Mr Assange and WikiLeaks” against “soliciting” material from U.S. military whistleblowers.

In response, WikiLeaks has decided to intervene in the U.S. election campaign.

The United States government claims Mr Assange and the WikiLeaks organization are within its jurisdiction. In reply, we place the Obama administration within our jurisdiction. All American school children are taught that being subject to laws without representation is an injustice. This is the backbone of the American Revolution. We claim our representation and now initiate a campaign to transform Democratic and Republican votes into economic and political support for WikiLeaks and its First Amendment values. This election day, do not vote for the Republican or Democratic parties. Instead, cast the only vote that matters. Vote with your wallet – vote for WikiLeaks.

The Democratic Party promised to open government. But instead it is building a state within a state, placing nearly five million Americans under the national security clearance system. It has classified more documents than any previous administration, classifying even the process used to decide who will live and who will be killed. The U.S. administration hurtles towards dystopia: secret laws, secret processes, secret budgets, secret bailouts, secret killings, secret mass spying, secret drones and secret detention without charge. The collapse of the Soviet Union could have led to the withdrawal of the U.S. security state, but without moral competition from another system it has grown unchecked to influence almost every American policy. Four more years in the same direction cannot be tolerated.

The Obama administration continues to conduct a “whole of government” investigation of “unprecedented scale and nature” into WikiLeaks and its people. It has fuelled the extrajudicial banking blockade against the organization and has held an alleged WikiLeaks source, Bradley Manning, in conditions that the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture, Juan Mendez, found had amounted to torture. Mr Assange has been formally found to be a political refugee, but U.S. ambassadors warned countries such as Switzerland not to offer him asylum. President Obama has called Bradley Manning guilty before trial and Vice-President Biden has labelled Julian Assange a "hi-tech terrorist". The Obama-Biden campaign brags of having prosecuted twice as many national security whistleblowers as “all previous administrations combined”. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis.... This is not acceptable.

Politicians always say your decision, come election-time, will determine the future. But, as has been seen with the Obama administration, deciding on who gets into formal office is not a meaningful choice, because when you vote your party into government you also vote the government, including all its agencies and friends, into your party. Thus, parties taking office are eliminated as the restraining voice of opposition.

But there is another option.

Government agencies and corporations know that knowledge is power. That is why they spend literally billions to keep their plans and actions secret from all of us.

They know that together we can force them to act differently.

It was WikiLeaks’ revelations – not the actions of President Obama – that forced the U.S. administration out of the Iraq War. By exposing the killing of Iraqi children, WikiLeaks directly motivated the Iraqi government to strip the U.S. military of legal immunity, which in turn forced the U.S. withdrawal. http://salon.com/2011/10/23/wikilea...

It was WikiLeaks’ revelations and pan-Arab activists, not the Obama administration, that helped to trigger the Arab Spring. While WikiLeaks was exposing dictators from Yemen to Cairo, Vice-President Joseph Biden was calling Hosni Mubarak a democrat, Hillary Clinton was calling his government “stable” and the U.S. administration was colluding with Yemeni dictator Saleh to bomb his own people. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201... http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/...

And it was WikiLeaks’ revelations, not the White House, that led to the reform of the largest children’s hospital network in the United States. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Report_on...

Last year, the Pentagon got $662 billion for its 2012 war chest. For WikiLeaks to continue its work to bring transparency to powerful institutions through the mass publication of leaks with the greatest potential to lead to more just forms of governance, we need to build a bigger ’war chest’ too.

In early December 2010, WikiLeaks was receiving $120,000 per day in donations from the general public. In response to pressure from Washington, and entirely outside the law, financial institutions including Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, Bank of America and Western Union, erected a banking blockade against WikiLeaks, stripping the organization of 95% of its funding. Although WikiLeaks has won every court case to date against the blockade, these Washington-linked institutions continue to appeal.

So, for the next 34 days, beginning on 3 October 2012, we are launching a new fundraising campaign running up to Election Day, 6 November.

You can still donate to WikiLeaks using a variety of easy methods, including workarounds for Visa, MasterCard and PayPal. These donations go to fund WikiLeaks’ publishing and infrastructure costs and our legal costs to fight the financial blockade. We are expecting an answer shortly on Visa’s appeal against the Icelandic court’s ruling that declared their blockade illegal, and decision-makers are expected to meet soon on our European anti-trust banking case.

If you wish to contribute to Julian Assange’s legal defence costs, you can still use your credit card but you will need to make a separate donation to the Julian Assange and WikiLeaks Staff Defence Fund, administered and audited by Derek Rothera & Co. Full details are on our donate page. You can also donate to the Bradley Manning Defense Fund from our site.

"The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting", Milan Kundera.

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The URL for this campaign is: http://wikileaks.org/donate2012


http://wikileaks.org/Press-Statement-In-this-election.html
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 09:33:21 AM
Thanks for reporting Irien ... I'm reading.

The day they will Intervene also in the African "election" campaigns, Chinese censorship, EU election campaigns, Defending the Arab women's rights... I will think they are defending human rights in full.

Today I just have many many doubts because the only thing I was expecting from WL when I started supporting it, was the organization to publish News.

Now I see WL and J.Assange have reacted to the US attacks trying to influence the US politics (only the US) and I'm afraid this is a move of the future Senator Julian Assange (whose human rights I anyway support) or in any case a very visible heavy move to be done by a journalistic organization... ::)

I'll re-read the statement and I'm gonna reflect a bit now...

Irien, again, thanks for posting ^^
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 09:41:08 AM
P.S. To fundrase WL they don't need to go "against" anyone: as I have have paied all the taxes that have been imposed om my salary and bought food to live, I perfectly know where is the donations button to fundrase "freedom of information and wl".

P.P.S. True that the Obama administration has classified A&E, done horrible errors and threatened WL, but, godness!, is WL going to protest also for all the other World situations where Human Beings are exploited, killed, prosecuted, now? Are they going to Help them somehow? I hope so!
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Irien on October 03, 2012, 12:39:46 PM
Campaign Video :

http://wikileaks.org/donate2012/
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 14:02:19 PM
Irien +1 ^^ because you have reported all the info.  <3

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I'm not happy at all with this donations campaign (it's Just a Fundrasing initiative) because it's based on emotional "selling", it has nothing to do with WL value of journalistic neutrality.

It bases itself on attracting the citiziens' attention on donating to WL connecting it to the ongoing elections in US.
It seems to be "studied" to attract the more attention is possible pointing on the emotive reactions of the people - that is a marketing strategy- but it doesn't take care at all that it can seriously interfere in the US elections.
I would add that this kind of fundrasing campaign if on one side can attract attention, on the other side can attract attacks missing its goal of helping WL.

I'm a freedom of press and WL supporter so I will never attack WL, but here I'm expressing my perplexity about this fundrasing-elections campaing.

It looks unprofessional at all because it is not related to journalism.
It's dangerously risking to influence the Americans' choice instead of reaching its goal of collecting money for the organization.
It's again unprofessional because it is not WikiLeaks that has to tell me who to vote or not to vote.
It looks based on propaganda instead of real news.
It risks to make WL loose its best supporters that base their thoughts on facts and not on emotional selling, and that expect WL is neutral and defending all the world's human rights.

I think the way this operation has been "studied" is definitively Not in the WL style I had imagined.

... 'still reflecting ...
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: rote zora on October 03, 2012, 14:03:43 PM
@ TheHamster

I also thought first the email must be a bad joke - especially the part "...prepare your credit cards..."  ::) - but then I saw that tweet too...

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Why I refuse to vote for Barack Obama | Atlantic http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/262861/ … http://justice4assange.com

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/252925639793983488 (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/252925639793983488)

...and that made me believe that WL/Assange is serious, but tries to make it look a bit like parody.

Yet I'm still speechless and need also more time to digest this news.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 14:53:03 PM
     First, I apologize, I am still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing even as I write this. I hope by writing this that somehow I will come to some resolution and clarity. As an American citizen right now I am all too aware of the highly emotional political environment going on at this moment, we are of course within 5 weeks of a major US presidential election. Every day I see the ads everywhere, there is no way to escape it, even right now the campaign advisers are in a manic state of mind trying to optimize every detail in their arguments for tonight's debate- the first of a few before election day.   
     So I wake up to this, WikiLeaks has decided to push a political angle? They are asking for funds from the American voters during an election campaign and trying to bias voters with their own political views? I do understand that WikiLeaks needs funds- no doubt- I get that. But to turn into a political organization from a once freedom of speech and information organization in order to optimize donations, I am sorry , I have yet to find the words for this, I don't know where I should begin.   
     Well, let me say this. We all know the behavior of any politician. They make campaign promises that are never going to materialize. They do this to take advantage of peoples emotions, to optimize their intense need for changes to be made. We all know the story, these promises rarely if ever come to fruition, but they sound soo good- and it gives us a ray of hope. My biggest problem with the way WikiLeaks runs itself has always been that they rely too heavily on how they think things should be and continue to loose sight of how things really are.
     This new political angle they have embarked on if a fine example of this. They are relying solely on how things should be, that they should be able to expose corrupt governments and funds from the oppressed people will surely be enough to cover the expenses required. But they have lost sight of how things really are, that corrupt governments have all the money and have the ability to continue to oppress the masses.
     Now that is a hard reality to face and in no way does that mean any one should just lay down and give up. I am just saying WikiLeaks better learn to deal with the reality that funds are never going to flow their way in significant amounts, they are going to have to see the reality of that situation and work some other way. I think that they did receive funds in a significant amount in the past, but even those amounts , even in the millions are not enough to fight multi-billionaires in the end.
    They will get some funds from this, some funds, but in my opinion not enough of what they need to beat super powerful governments monetarily and not enough to justify lowering their integrity in this way. The people that pour significant amounts of funds into campaigns are people that already have it and want to keep the status quo of the rich get richer. I do think that the banking blockade did significantly lower their donation flow, but in my opinion WikiLeaks is in denial of the other factors also affecting their donation flow. Their image has been very damaged by all the issues surrounding them legally and also their supporters for the most part are not the richest people in the world.
     This new strategy is a sign that  WikiLeaks is not evolving in the only direction that will allow them to survive their enemies, the ability to operate without significant cash flow. Organizations, corporations, and businesses have to do this all the time in economic downturns to survive. It is what will make or break them.
     I am hoping that others will soon comment more on this. As you can see I am in very much need of input here. This is such a strange turn of events, I am hoping others can help me think this through and figure it all out.  :-\

                         
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 15:44:06 PM
@rote_zora @Riney ... Yes ^^

Watching the WL campaign video it's completely centred on Obama, turning the "yes we can" to say that he has done wars and committed crimes.

This has even been twitted by WL:

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@WikiLeaks - "Can we start wars without authorisation?.. Yes we can" - no you can't! Hold power to account and #voteWL | http://bit.ly/donate2012TWT  (video)
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253470373037883392

... I think Obama wasn't better or worst than all the other Presidents, just after 9/11 the level of alarm about whatever possible risk has incredibly grown...

By the way, what was that article about Romney's related cables that was tweeted weeks ago? I have to find it... there must be a post in Cablegate forum... I'm waiting they retweet also that now for "par condicio"
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Now a "more balanced tweet" -let's call it so... ::) - mentioning both Obama and Romney:

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@WikiLeaks - This election don't vote for Obama or Romney just to get the same broken promises. Hold power to account and #voteWL | http://bit.ly/donate2012TWT
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253480541763022848

... A part from the fact that citiziens vote whoever the hell they want ... sorry for the bad words...

Riney correct if I'm wrong...

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I've been studying that in the US the President and the Congress have to coexist together for the entire elctive term.
If for example here in Italy the Govt (Pime Minister + Ministers) can be "sent home" by an eventual motion of the Parliament if creating too many problems, that I know in the US the President and the Congress have to go on coexisting till the next elextions, correct?
What means that on one side they are very stable, but on the others they must share the responsibilities and the choices finding a common territory and may be compromises...

What I'm trying to say is that lean all responsibility to a president only is a bit simplistic and again pointing only on the emotional face.

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About the funds... yes indeed: they aren't always coming!
I would add that we are in times of global economical crysis and only a few rich people have many possibilities; the others have to think of food, of their families, of the house, of the taxes to be paied... and only after and IF they can they will fiundrase Journalism.

I think Riney and rote zora your points of view are very significative.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 16:39:41 PM
Hamster- your question:


'Riney correct if I'm wrong..."

"I've been studying that in the US the President and the Congress have to coexist together for the entire elctive term.
If for example here in Italy the Govt (Pime Minister + Ministers) can be "sent home" by an eventual motion of the Parliament if creating too many problems, that I know in the US the President and the Congress have to go on coexisting till the next elextions, correct?
What means that on one side they are very stable, but on the others they must share the responsibilities and the choices finding a common territory and may be compromises...

What I'm trying to say is that lean all responsibility to a president only is a bit simplistic and again pointing only on the emotional face."

The Congress elections are every two years- and the elected officials that are at the end of their term will have to run again. The US presidential elections are every four years. So what happened to Obama is he had a democratic elected congress his first two years, but then when the 2010 elections came for congress- because the economic recovery did not happen fast enough for most american voters, they voted in a majority republican congress and that basically made him a "lame duck" president with less power to make significant changes. It also put the congress in gridlock about important issues.

   
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 16:52:42 PM
Riney

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The Congress elections are every two years- and the elected officials that are at the end of their term will have to run again. The US presidential elections are every four years. So what happened to Obama is he had a democratic elected congress his first two years, but then when the 2010 elections came for congress- because the economic recovery did not happen fast enough for most american voters, they voted in a majority republican congress and that basically made him a "lame duck" president with less power to make significant changes. It also put the congress in gridlock about important issues.

Thanks for explaining! It gives a bit more of light on the situation  8)
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 17:43:38 PM
I'm trying to shape a million thoughts flying in my mind in this moment...

1° thought - I'm becoming a bit paranoid because I've seen the quantity of politically motivated tweets increasing by WL since Julian Assange has started running for the Australian Senate and, as his campaign could possibily be based on setting the country free of US lead manipulations, I'm now connecting this fundrasing campaign turning around the "Obama/US thread" to a potential Julian Assange's campaign to gain consenses out of the US.

2° thought - What is sure is that WL needs money, the financial blockade has now been declared illegal and finally stopped, and now they are using all the potential means to obtain it, also the Unprofessional means.
And doing so they aren't supporting anymore the values they have started with.
I think as WL claims itself beyond the dirty mechanisms of the politic systems, it shouldn't use their same means to rise money.

3° thought - I was thinking of Gandhi and the revolution to free India...
A part that Gandhi was a lawyer and not a journalist, when he decided to change the political scene, he has put all his efforts and finally his own life in politics.
Now since WL has started its work calling itself Journalism, it shouldn't be too much involved in politics a part from releasing news.
If Julian wants to run for Senate or to influence the US election telling the citiziens not to vote.. well for coherence he should call himself a Political Activist, not a Journalist...
I mean changing his role because this is the pattern it seems WL is now walking in.
I would seriously suggest "someone there" to separate the WL journalistic aims from the Assange Senate and anti-Obama or anti-whatever campaigns: it would make all of this seem a bit less a strange melting pot, and it would give WL the credibility back (WL is a Team of persons, correct?)

4° I'm Italian and I remember all the times Berlusconi was heavily rightly criticized when he became PM for detaining the big part of the mainstream tv media and, as PM, for influencing RAI (the tv of the State) with the risk of damaging freedom of expression and the impartiality of the tv media...
Now I see a BIG media that is WikiLeaks, with thousands of more or less secret documents to be leaked, taking a political pattern...
I'm seriously afraid that if a Media, an internet media, like WikiLeaks takes a political direction, all the Immense Information stuff it has in its hands could be used for political aims.
I hope not, but my Paranoia on this topic is kind of big in this moment.
At least here where I live we all know this or that journal is financed by a "left person" or "right person" or "catholic person" etc. so the media in general are politicized - not all but many of them -.
I have been supporting WL all the time because it wasn't politicized...

What do I have to support now... ? ::) *worried*

I will for sure support JA's right of freedom.
I will always support Bradley's rights, he is a hero of freedom of information and has helped denouncing crimes!
... But what has Bradley given his whole life for, what is Julian Assange prisoner for, if now WikiLeaks turns itself in a political tool?
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 17:44:57 PM
     Well now people are tweeting that WikiLeaks supporters should use the "write in a name option" to cast their ballots on election day- to vote for WikiLeaks or Julian Assange as president of the US it is not clear. Both choices would effectively make that voters ballot invalid, giving only more power to the votes that are valid. Even someone that is a conscientious objector should at least write in their valid third party alternatives and not throw their vote away so completely.
     Then another tweeter is putting out tweets saying that now WikiLeaks has entered the US elections and given people an alternative, by offering a new idea of why someone should donate to WikiLeaks I guess. Donating to WikiLeaks has always been an option for anybodies personal need to support them monetarily.
      Still trying to wrap my head around this.... :-\       
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 03, 2012, 17:57:27 PM
Riney yes!

In Italy the non-valid votes and the non-votes make the majority stronger: is it so also in the US?

Voting is a Civil Right I would never renounce to that thing, even if I perfeclty know that may be Romney vs Obama is not that "real choice", something that can really change things that are bigger than the Presidents themselves... Ooh how much had we [the humanity] got to fight to Conquer the right of voting for all the citiziens?! There are countries where Not all the citiziens can vote by the way, I wouldn't "spite" on the vote so much.

Lol about certain tweets - I'll try to focus on WL twets (or fb posts, it's the same stuff) only, as they are "official", because certain comments by supporters are at least wierd (Assange or WikiLeaks aren't for sure possible candidates in the US - max. in Australia ...) and agree, Riney, I don't see how WL political move could offer more opportunities in the US.
Only the good neutral Information in my opinion can.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 18:06:46 PM
    Those are good points you bring up Hamster- <3

   The one thing I want to speak to is Assange running for the Australian Senate- "as his campaign could possibily be based on setting the country free of US lead manipulations". I have to wonder why he thought that he could turn that habit around. Throughout the world, governments always play back and forth to each other trying to get what each other wants out of the other. The US and Australia are no exception and there is no doubt things between those two countries in the past might have been swayed to the US advantage in some way. But the portrayal that the entire Australian government is completely under the thumb of the US government is a little over blown.
   Also, I always thought it was a little weird that Julian Assange would want to move into an actual elected officials seat. The way politicians lives are completely displayed to the general public would not suit him, he is always so completely adamant that his private life be completely private. Ok, yes I know he fears for his children lives but it goes further than that. He also goes against just about every book ever written about him when it talks about his private life. In politics, a persons life is never private while they are in office, never, there are teams of fact finders that are hired privately by campaign organizers to specifically find out opposition dirty facts and use them against people.         
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: rote zora on October 03, 2012, 19:22:52 PM
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@WikiLeaks - This election don't vote for Obama or Romney just to get the same broken promises. Hold power to account and #voteWL | http://bit.ly/donate2012TWT

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253480541763022848 (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/253480541763022848)

Not that I believe that this bizarre (and perhaps desperate) action would have any greater impact on the election outcome or bring WL and Assange much more money, but I still have to ask myself what does Assange think who will most likely follow WL call for election boycott. Republican or Democrat voters? Either those who are, for instance, supporting higher military spending or who are against it? More precisely: Romney's or Obama's voters? What is the most represented political attitude among WL supporters? Of course, these are only rethorical questions...



Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: sheaton on October 03, 2012, 19:34:33 PM
Well the message is very clear: ASSANGE ORDERS ALL US VOTERS WHO WISH TO USE THEIR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS TO VOTE FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT NOT TO VOTE AT ALL AND DONATE THEIR HARD EARNED CASH TO ASSANGE  So yes, please whip out your credit cards and join the ranks of everyone else who gave Assange their money and got screwed over ( Jemima Khan, Ken Loach, John Pilger, Captain Vaughan Smith etc etc )

Also, don't think for a minute that Romney supporters will be influenced by Assange's call to boycott the election. IF Romney wins this election then Assange will learn the true meaning of being on the wrong side of a " witch hunt ", the middle east will go up in flames and there really won't be much left of the " Arab Spring " he claims to have initiated.

Any attempt to boycott the US presidential election will result in a living nightmare for Assange and his organization.


Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 19:39:27 PM
Assange/WikiLeaks supporters are more represented by Democrates if I was going to choose between Republican versus Democrates. But to find any party that would be an admitted supporter, you would have to look at third party alternative candidates.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: rote zora on October 03, 2012, 19:45:50 PM
@ Riney

Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make: If WL supporters are to follow this call, then the losing party would be most probably the Democrats and WL/Assange must be aware of the situation.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 20:01:29 PM
@rote zora
   
    Quite frankly at this point, I am not sure what WL/Assange are aware of when it comes to US politics.  :-\
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: rote zora on October 03, 2012, 20:10:36 PM
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It was WikiLeaks’ revelations and pan-Arab activists, not the Obama administration, that helped to trigger the Arab Spring.

Source: Todays WL press statement

Well, there is no one who can tell this for a fact. For instance, in the case of Syria we learned only later that there were some hidden helpers like Obamas administration financing the opposition as well as the german founded group "The Day After" whose goal was to make a plan for the post-Assad period.

Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: hedgehog on October 03, 2012, 20:35:40 PM
Hello!

I would like to (respectfully  :)) disagree with some things that had been said here.

In my opinion, this fundraising campaign is not that WL is becoming a political tool or trying to influence the elections results. They jump into the elections processus in order to protest against the US (government) attacks on them.

Like if, I don't know, a union of workers, farmers, other professions used that period to protest because the government has put to much taxes upon them, just use the electoral period to make hear an angry voice.

I don't think it is especially against Obama, but it is him who was president at the moment of those attacks, so it is him who concentrates the anger.

According to me, the way that WL acts here is a mockery against US political power and not a tentative to access to that power. They don't think seriously that people  would write their name in a ballot.

I am not trying to defend them saying that it is just a joke, it is more than a joke, it is a very big provocation, may be of bad taste, I don't know... But in the same time it is full of impertinence and boldness, and I don't dislike that.

I can be wrong, of course, just my opinion  ;)

Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 03, 2012, 20:48:07 PM
Thank you hedgehog for the polite reply. All opinions in this discussion are welcome. <3
As I stated earlier on this thread, I have been trying hard to figure all of this bizarre thing out. Each reply has added to my understanding.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 04, 2012, 08:08:18 AM
@hedgehog thanks, you have rised an interesting point:

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According to me, the way that WL acts here is a mockery against US political power and not a tentative to access to that power. They don't think seriously that people  would write their name in a ballot.

I am not trying to defend them saying that it is just a joke, it is more than a joke, it is a very big provocation, may be of bad taste, I don't know... But in the same time it is full of impertinence and boldness, and I don't dislike that.

Thanks, this is a good point.

It's just that this is what one like me would never have espected from a Journalistic organization.
I think this is now become Political activism... And now yes I'm 100% sure that JA's case is politically motivated because WikiLeaks' actions, "jokes and sense of humor" touch in full the week points of the US politics in this moment.

I'm sure hedgehog that the Main thing for WikiLeaks in this moment is, more than influencing the elections, rising Money for the organization.

I see in this move of connecting the US elections to WL, because of the attacks WL has recived by the actual Obama administration (see Julian Assange's video/speech: it's Completely centred on Obama), a way to rise funds.

But I also see a strong subliminal (or less subliminal) political message behind the Intro-video, that even contradicts the "neutrality" of certain WL tweets.

I's a mix of messages expressed all-together and I think it's hard to distinguish all of them and controlling the emotional reactions toward them put together.

I dare saying this is a pure Strategy of Marketing: playing on the feelings of the Americans and also the non-Americans because the elections are watched, to say "don't mind politics that is dirty stuff, donate to WikiLeaks".

I think this "move" was studied to rise funds, nothingelse.

What I'm criticizing is The Way and The Methods that have been used.

-They don't say "we support human rights (in general), donate WL", they specifically say "don't vote this or that, vote US" (It's a quite confusing message)
-In marketing/pubblicity one single spot can express more than a message; here the main is for sure "donate" but, from the prospective of one that is used to analyze these things, I see another strong sub-message that is "don't vote for anyone (in the US)"
-Analyzing the video of this "campaign" (it must be watched because the Image and the Intro. of this campaign are Strongly influent), one sees all the time Obama, Obama, Obama and his campaign "yes we can" turned against him because of the errors of the Obama administration and only at the end one sees other "ennemies of WL" pointing the finger against JA or WL. This is another sub-sub-message I guess: 1. The Words tell "vote WikiLeaks" with your wallets 2. But the Images, the sounds, the editing of the film clearly say "Obama is a crap, dn't vote Obama".
I see that After WL has tweeted not Obama, not Romney, but WL. But from the analysis of all the elements and mainly of the emotional elements, there is a strong Strong Anti-Obama message!
-Analizing JA's speech it's clear that, as the US has called WL and JA "ennemy of the State", WL is now reacting to the attacks attacking the US its way.
-Also it seems to be done for the injust conditions Bradley manning and the US people are facing... But, sorry, what conditions are for example facing the people in Somalia?! ... I mean that these other messages included in the spots are ok, but to me, in this context, they seem included only to strenghten the emotional impact of the spot.

I hope I don't seem too cinic, but I've been used to analyze what I watch trough the media and in this spot, in the WikiLeaks "fundrasing" (not "election"!! it's "fundraszing"!!) campaign I have seen so many coincidences that it make me think of the same pubblicities used by the corporations to create advertising.

It's a thing I don't like if done by WikiLeaks.
I'll try to explain why.
The method uses multilayer messages.
One of the messages "donate to WL" emerges in full.
The others "don't vote", "don't vote Obama", "we are reacting against the US attacks", "we stand for Bradley M.", "we want to create a change", "we are a new opportunity for the world", etc. [they are many and sometimes contraddictory] don't emerge in full. They emerge by Emotions.
The difference between a  rational message (given by words) and an emotional message (given by the sounds, the images, the editing, the mix of all the elements...) is that they don't pass through the same channel. So if the 1st rational one is something that can be easly percived, controlled, the 2nd emotive is something that passes through the guts and the skin and not everybody is conscious that s/he is reciving and absorbing that message.
Result: it's very easy to understand that this is a fundrasing campaign.
It is not as much easy to deal with the emotional impact THIS kind of fundrasing campaign provocates.
It is set like "sense of humor" and "another opportunity for the citiziens", but Are We Sure that the "Don't Vote Obama" message isn't passing as Serious?

And mainly: is it correct toward supporters that an Organization For The Transparence ["We open governments" is the intro of WikiLeaks on twitter] is using such kind of methods to pubblicize its campaign to rise money? Is it professional? Is it Transparent for everybody? ... How many messages are passing through this "elections/fundrasing campaign" a part from the campaign itself and are we All conscious that we are absorbing them?

Riney, rote zora, sheaton, myself  and I think many others indeed have remarked that they are perciving this like a Political message.

I'm reflecting on the professionality or not of This kind of methods from an org. that it's said to work for transparency. ::)
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: TrxiZ on October 04, 2012, 17:25:02 PM
@hedgehog

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I can be wrong, of course, just my opinion  ;)

no no no.

I just wanna clear one thing.

Everyones Opinion is okay - there is no wrong and right.

there is no black and white.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 04, 2012, 18:54:05 PM
T --> well said: whatever opinion is a precious contribute because it gives another prospective of the reality that can extend our views.

---

Ehmm... there is another thing about the campaign's video that is bothering me ;D I must "rant" it here.

Julian Assange:
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I'm Julian Assange and I approve this message

 :o O.O !! ... And I'm The Hamster and I am laughing!  ;D ;D <3! Kidding.

I mean that that part sounds a bit funny as if it was "I'm Queen Elizabeth and I approve" ... Lol.

Seriously now: it is done on purpose because so, all the Assange's supporters are lead to agree with the message; and J. Assange knows he has "charisma" and he has the emotional or rational support of many persons.

I think it's another mean to persuade the persons that:
- The "election campaign" with All its messages is a Right thing
- We have to donate WikiLeaks because Assange asks for this
- We have to support this message also to support Assange or, viceversa, if one is a WL suporter/JA supporter has to agree with this stuff.

It's a Mix, a whole mix. It's confusing. It's making even more hard to separate the Assange's personal events and "charisma" from the organization WikiLeaks and now WikiLeaks from Assange and this campaign.

And I'm laughing because of "Mr charisma" - that has all my support in his right of freedom, political asylum and a fair treatment - But now ...my reaction when one tells me "this is good because I approove it" or sorta is becoming rebel and thinking with my head even if it is the Pope himself ordering me to trust ;D

One should use the charisma to promote free thinking I guess - wich in other speeches instead JA has promoted - but in this video ...  ;D :afro:

Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Signhilde on October 04, 2012, 22:13:44 PM
This campaign makes even me sad. I have allways looked upon the election day as a festival day. To work for high participation in the election has allways been important. And now this denial... If we believe in Democracy we should ask people to vote. If I had a chance I would support president Obama. He has made mistakes, he has met confrontation. Still I like him and important would be to help him get friends i Congress.
I wonder sometimes if WL is a democratic organisation (sorry). Wikileaks-forum is a good thing anyway!
2014 will we have elections in Sweden, will WL take part? :-\
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 05, 2012, 11:24:52 AM
@Signhilde Bingo! You couldn't express it better^^ Thanks!

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This campaign makes even me sad. I have allways looked upon the election day as a festival day. To work for high participation in the election has allways been important. And now this denial... If we believe in Democracy we should ask people to vote. If I had a chance I would support president Obama. He has made mistakes, he has met confrontation. Still I like him and important would be to help him get friends i Congress.
I wonder sometimes if WL is a democratic organisation (sorry). Wikileaks-forum is a good thing anyway!
2014 will we have elections in Sweden, will WL take part? :-\

---

I also am now seriously worried -more than before- for Julian Assange's life, and also for Bradley Manning's life and situation.

WikiLeaks has always been defended by its journalistic neutrality, by the freedom of press right dued to whatever journalist. Julian Assange as a journalist that doesn't take part to the political scene, had all his rights of publisher intacts.
But now ???

I've joked about "mr charisma", but I'm serously worried that after this last move he can loose the protection his previous neutrality had given him.

And I'm also angry with "mr charisma" decision of deliberately strongly provocating the US because there is Manning's trial going on in this moment and the charges against him are cooperating with the enemy! Wth poor Manning, if the organization he has cooperated with now attacks the US elections with a provocation isn't he more at risk of being condemned to life inprisonment?

Julian is putting his own situation more at risk than before, and also the WL Organization staff and connected people at risk, by provocating the US that way... I guess...

Keep leaking only and defending instead of attacking, please!!!


worried... baah!  ::) paranoia ::)
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: sheaton on October 05, 2012, 19:54:33 PM
2 days later and the WikiLeaks " election campaign " seems to be dead before it ever got off the ground. I don't see any tweets from WikiLeaks or hardcore WikiLeaks fans, all I see is one big miserably failed PR campaign. I am willing to bet that not one WikiLeaks "supporter" has ripped out his/her credit cards to stuff even more money into Assanges pockets. Yes, it has gone awefully quite in the "twittersphere" and when the campaign to boycott the election ( whatever that implies ) has "officially ended", it will go down in history as nothing more than a shit stain on WIkiLeaks reputation as a " has been whistlblowing platform "

What in the hell was Assange thinking by trying to deny US citizens their democratic right to vote his/her own government ? For what reason does WikiLeaks need money....for what ?

I seriously think this stupid campaign is nothing but a desperate, last ditch attempt to decive supporters into paying WikiLeaks money for doing NOTHING, and I say NOTHING as WikiLeaks is doing NOTHING to promote whistleblowing...............we are all still waiting for the promised submission system. Where is it ?

To sum it up: " my name is Julian Assange and I want your money now and you will get nothng in return "




Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 06, 2012, 00:03:45 AM
WikiLeaks launches 2012 presidential election intervention
By DJ Pangburn 4 hours ago
Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both raising insane amounts of money as their respective party’s candidates in the 2012 election, but they’re not the only ones asking for cash. WikiLeaks has launched Vote WikiLeaks: 2012 Donation Campaign, in the hopes of raising funds for their free information efforts.
Citing comments made by Pentagon spokesman George Little, asking WikiLeaks to destroy its publications and warning them against “soliciting” material from U.S. military whistleblowers, WikiLeaks did the opposite. In response to Little’s demands, WikiLeaks has “decided to intervene in the U.S. election campaign.”
“The United States government claims Mr Assange and the WikiLeaks organization are within its jurisdiction,” says WikiLeaks. “In reply, we place the Obama administration within our jurisdiction. All American school children are taught that being subject to laws without representation is an injustice. This is the backbone of the American Revolution.”
WikiLeaks adds, “We claim our representation and now initiate a campaign to transform Democratic and Republican votes into economic and political support for WikiLeaks and its First Amendment values. This election day, do not vote for the Republican or Democratic parties. Instead, cast the only vote that matters. Vote with your wallet – vote for WikiLeaks.”
WikiLeaks called out Obama’s democratic government for not opening government up enough, accusing the country of hurtling “toward dystopia.”
According to WikiLeaks, the U.S. government is “building a state within a state, placing nearly five million Americans under the national security clearance system. It has classified more documents than any previous administration, classifying even the process used to decide who will live and who will be killed.”
“Government agencies and corporations know that knowledge is power. That is why they spend literally billions to keep their plans and actions secret from all of us,” adds WikiLeaks. “They know that together we can force them to act differently.” They cite the leaked WikiLeaks documents as the catalyst for the U.S. leaving Iraq, not any real decision on the part of the Obama administration.
That’s debatable, of course, but certainly WikiLeaks leaked documents, detailing war atrocities, especially on Iraqi civilians, helped. At any rate, WikiLeaks is asking for donations to keep up its free information work. Head over to the website for more information.

the link: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/189414/wikileaks-launches-2012-presidential-election-intervention/
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on October 06, 2012, 00:12:56 AM
I posted my prior comment to be able to point out these quotes...


"This election day, do not vote for the Republican or Democratic parties. Instead, cast the only vote that matters. Vote with your wallet – vote for WikiLeaks.”

and this

 "now initiate a campaign to transform Democratic and Republican votes into economic and political support for WikiLeaks"

Yep that says it all...   so the idea would be to silence other voices only to create more voices for WikiLeaks in the end, with the promise that WikiLeaks will deliver more "representation" of the American people by a their organization? I seriously doubt that is going to get people to go into debt to save them. The majority of the American public do not think about WikiLeaks, yes some do- but it is not as wide spread as WikiLeaks seems to assume here. 
 
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 06, 2012, 15:24:27 PM
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“We claim our representation and now initiate a campaign to transform Democratic and Republican votes into economic and political support for WikiLeaks and its First Amendment values. This election day, do not vote for the Republican or Democratic parties. Instead, cast the only vote that matters. Vote with your wallet – vote for WikiLeaks.”

1. "economic and political support for WikiLeaks" ???

Since when WikiLeaks is a Political thing ?!

2. No-profit = not for profit ... If the supporters aren't donating even after the end of the financial blockade and even if WL has asked for money after its end... there's no need to "force" anyone's election to rise money - the supporter's wallets are may be not that full in this moment - WL has just to wait a bit more and tell the truth "we have no money to do ... what we had projected".

3. No idea of what the money is for - No idea - that I know JA and BM defence fund are separated stuff, correct? So the money should be for WL... the organization...
The submission system may be... Other leaks?

Erhmm... a question rising in my mind now: don't they have some Volounteer Geek that NO-profit works for WL-org.? Just a thing I was wondering... But I'm too ignorant in computers/security on internet stuff to understand if this is possible. I was just wondering this because in another no-profit org I've seen 2 hospitals and FreeCleanWater for an entire area rising up without pushing anyone to donate... So I was wondering if who has the skills could work for WL, seen the apparent difficult moment...

Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Signhilde on October 06, 2012, 16:55:21 PM
Thank you, Hamster and others. It is a lot that I can not understand. I can never foresee what new step MR Assange is to take.  It is good with a discussion.
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1. "economic and political support for WikiLeaks" ???
Since when WikiLeaks is a Political thing ?!
Wikileaks is a Political thing, stands for political ideas! But that is not the same as party politics.
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2. No-profit = not for profit
I really hope that supporters will continue to support WL, that WL can continue it´s work.
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3. No idea of what the money is for - No idea - that I know JA and BM defence fund are separated stuff, correct?
This is what the campaign says:
"If you wish to contribute to Julian Assange’s legal defence costs, you can still use your credit card but you will need to make a separate donation to the Julian Assange and WikiLeaks Staff Defence Fund, administered and audited by Derek Rothera & Co. Full details are on our donate page. You can also donate to the Bradley Manning Defense Fund from our site."

What I would like to see done: Examine all candidats to the Congress, see who has the same ideas as WL. Support them - in words. Tell WL supporters to vote for the right persons! And still I think Obama is the right person, but now he needs some encouragement. He will need WL supporters. Just as we could see it from this side of the Atlantic.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Pond on October 09, 2012, 18:10:19 PM
I still seriously think that WL shouldn't show political faces to remain "journalism" ...

Signhilde thanks for your views: they are making me reflect...

Now I have a new "rant" on this donations campaign: I can't read the Cables!!! >:(

I sometimes like reading the WL documents to find info. about facts I'm interested in.
Before the WL donations/election campaign started each time I opened a WL document on the WL site, it used to appear another donations link that I could easily close with a click of the mouse; but Now, I don't know if this depends on my old slow computer or not, Each Single Blessed Time I open a Whatever WikiLeaks document on the original page, the Video of the "elections campaign" pops Up!!!
Check---> http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10GENEVA249.html ( a whatever wl cable)
As my computer is slow and old it goes completely in block.
I've been talking with other supporters and they seem to have the same problem.

And the second thing that doesn't sound good to me is that watching the Obama video before a cable makes WL seem just anti-American, when of course it is not.

 :P
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Irien on October 09, 2012, 21:31:24 PM
Hamster, disable Javascript, and the pop up will desapear.

I have tried that just now (I am on Tor) and with javascript authorized for WL site, I have the pop up. If Javascript is not authorized, I have not.

Ahem...somebody should report them the problem, non?

Edit: It works also with a "usual" Firefox (while not using Tor) The button to disable Javascript is in Firefox/ Outils/ Options/ Contenu.

Sorry, mine is in french....It means tools/ options/ contents (more or less)  :)
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: enrica on October 10, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
Hamster, disable Javascript, and the pop up will desapear.

I have tried that just now (I am on Tor) and with javascript authorized for WL site, I have the pop up. If Javascript is not authorized, I have not.

Ahem...somebody should report them the problem, non?

Edit: It works also with a "usual" Firefox (while not using Tor) The button to disable Javascript is in Firefox/ Outils/ Options/ Contenu.

Sorry, mine is in french....It means tools/ options/ contents (more or less)  :)

Thanks for the Suggestion Irien! I think it will be very helpful because I've noticed a Lot of persons have the same problem with the donations video.

Firefox / Tools / Options / Content. Great! Thank you Irien!  <3
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: mabs01 on October 11, 2012, 03:26:59 AM
The red wall needs to leave, or at least have the exit button!
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: enrica on October 11, 2012, 07:51:45 AM
Just for info.. Desabling Javascript will stop the video from popping up but it needs to be reactivated after, to have all the computer's functions working well - It's a temporary solution :)

Mabs' yeah can be a good suggestion to put an exit button on the video, so one can close it with a click and read the documents withiut desabling javascript.

I remember in the donations pop up there was before, there was a close "X" button on the screen. Adding it can be the solution.
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: TrxiZ on October 11, 2012, 22:02:08 PM
WikiLeaks does not care about his followers it seems to me. I am workin in the IT area if I tell my 10000 customers to disable Java Script, 9999 will ask me "what is this" "how can I do this" ?

If WikiLeaks tells hes followers, friends and supporters to disable Java Script they should put a manual online how to do this...

It is also a shame for people that already donated to WikiLeaks - I do not go confim with this campaign. A lot of People asking "why" ? and the WikiLeaks Respond is nothing, none, there are a lot other ways to get donations with an red link above the website or on the side where you can check all releases - so people has the chance to read this "USA Election" related Leaks...

You can not change anything if you do "censor" this in anyway - also there a lot people out there WITHOUT 5$ to spend because they has to feed 4 children and no Job - this are the ones THAT need WikiLeaks the most! This are the people that has no own Voice they need US (wikileaks and supporters) to speak for them.

They do not has the chance to get informations, because they has not much money - or living in a country they has NO CHANCE to donate, like syria...

think about this !
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: enrica on November 14, 2012, 15:03:30 PM
Wasn't the "elections [donations] campaign" going to end after the US elections?  ::)

... The video is still there in each wikileaks' original document, a part from the detainee policies files...


Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: Riney on November 14, 2012, 15:17:27 PM
Yes, when it was initially launched it was said that it was going to continue through to the elections, I have heard that the screens are more sporadic now though, like they come and go.  :-\
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: enrica on November 14, 2012, 18:11:36 PM
Mmh... For me the screens are always there if I don't desable that javascript...

 They should at least change the video with a "WikiLeaks Christmas items campaign" at least ... Lol with a red and green donations screen and wikileaks Xmas music on the new video ;D Kidding
Title: Re: WikiLeaks launching a US Federal election related campaign?
Post by: enrica on November 24, 2012, 14:52:11 PM
 ;D ;D ;D They finally did! Hahaha too funny...  O:)

The Beat the Blockade Christmas campaign: beattheblockade.org/btb.html