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Offline taro

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This post is in response to this one:
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11404.0.html
whch does not allow replys.

I speak for myself and do not represent WLPress here.

I'd like to point out that Cabledrummer, being banned, cannot respond to this post.

I'd like to point out that the statement “The posts mostly relate to the Cabledrum Board which has been discontinued as a separate entity and its contents were to be distributed among the other relevant Boards.” is false, as most posts lost were not on the Cabledrum board.

What is more, Cabledrummer actually has a backup for the posts that were on his own board:
https://twitter.com/#!/Cabledrummer/status/204850262467293184

I find it ironic that this post is addressed to members of the forum, while Cabledrummer is the person who has lost the time and effort (not to mention freedoms of posting) put into his research, his writing, and his posts. WLF has made no apology for the person who should be most offended in this matter.
https://twitter.com/#!/Cabledrummer/status/204507581652279296

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Re: Important Forum Announcement - Deletion of >380 posts.
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2012, 00:44:42 AM »
Dear taro

Thank you for replying to my post and for sharing your valued opinion.

I was delighted to read that Cabledrum had kept a complete back-up of his posts and therefore he has not actually suffered the loss of any of his personal work. If I understood correctly, this is wonderful news!

Sadly I do not have one, I recall 120 of them as they related to the top 100 (Cablegate) and top 20 (GIF) projects. Also since several members of staff here helped him upload 141 posts earlier in year in various GIF Boards all coming from and eventualy linking back to his database, I have kept a list of the URL's and I will be able to re-post about 40 that I estimate he uploaded himself at the time. So about 150 of them will be restored manually by myself in the course of the next few weeks. You seem to know more than me on this matter, so if you have any more information to pass on please do not hesitate to send me a PM with a list and I will get posting :) I trust that the 433 links from his GIF database back to the forum are in good order.

I fully understand and are moved by the interest you take in this issue but I have said all that can be said in the public sphere on the matter. Both my previous post as well as this one is meant for public view and can be equally viewed and shared by Members and Guests alike.

I wish you and Cabledrum all the best in your valued work.

Kind regards
Green

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Re: Important Forum Announcement - Deletion of >380 posts.
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 15:55:11 PM »
Hello Green,

Thank you for the chance to have a constructive dialogue. I am happy that you responded personally.

I am sorry, you have not understood correctly. You say, “I was delighted to read that Cabledrum had kept a complete back-up of his posts and therefore he has not actually suffered the loss of any of his personal work.” I did not say that Cabledrum has kept a complete back-up of his posts. 

I did say, “most posts lost were not on the Cabledrum board.”

This means that the posts deleted were not strictly on the Cabledrum board, and I believe that the majority of posts deleted were not on the board. I could be wrong in saying “the majority,” as I don't have the exact number of posts which were on the Cabledrum board. But I am certain that not all posts by Cabledrummer were on the Cabledrum board.

I also said, “What is more, Cabledrummer actually has a backup for the posts that were on his own board”

This means that WLF has lost all posts which were not on his own board, and Cabledrummer has indeed suffered the loss of his personal work.

Moreover, I linked a tweet from Cabledrummer stating that he would be willing to share his backup with WLF in order to help restore the posts from the Cabledrum board. Since you seem to have ignored his message, I can only assume that you have refused his offer for help.

I am saddened that you do not address the real heart of my message, which is that WLF leaves Cabledrummer with no avenue for dialogue and cooperation. If Cabledrummer's work is truly valued by you and WLF, then I see no reason for you to stonewall his attempts at communication on WLF and on Twitter. Viewing a post is quite separate from having the ability to reply. (In fact, I was quite shocked that no replies were allowed on your initial post. What could possibly be the reason for this?)

I think it bears reminding that Cabledrummer has built a search engine for the Cablegate release, which I use regularly for my work at WLPress, and which I suspect many on the forum use regularly as well. He has done research on media censorship of cables. The Cabledrum mirror and the WLPress mirror are the last updated mirrors of wikileaks.org in the world. He collaborated with m_cetera to create the Cablegate top 100 and the GIFiles top 20 postings. He has built a search engine for media covering the GIFiles. That search engine is a medium for collaboration with WLF, as each article links back to a WLF post for discussion, if one exists for that article.

We are all focused on similar goals. We all understand that freedom of speech is seriously lacking in this world, and we are all working to help WikiLeaks bite back at the dangers of censorship.

Cabledrummer's ban is a great loss, and as much as I want to be able to promote everyone at WLF for their support of WL, I do not support lack of dialogue. It is not what we stand for.

If it seems as if I am being too stubborn on this issue, then that may be because I believe so strongly in the value of Cabledrummer's work. It is also because I believe in the importance of WLF as an outlet for people to collaborate, gather, and discuss freely and openly. The fact that you have posted on this topic and allowed for some discussion of the steps that will take place to alleviate the damage is tremendously heartening. I hope that WLF continues to take steps towards open dialogue and transparency.

Green, thank you for your efforts, particularly in attempting to take responsibility for the lost posts. I understand that it will be difficult and take time. I will PM you if I can offer further assistance.

taro

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Re: Important Forum Announcement - Deletion of >380 posts.
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 20:54:39 PM »
For good order's sake, after checking 433 links, I identified 29 lost posts that I have re-posted and the new forum links are listed here:

1   Stratfor: WikiLeaks veröffentlicht E-Mails von US-Analysedienst
   27 Feb 2012, German, #175
   http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2012-02/wikileaks-stratfor-emails
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9187.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11585.0.html

2   The Global Intelligence Files
   27 Feb 2012, Spanish, #533
   http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles-es.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9519.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11577.0.html

3   The Global Intelligence Files
   27 Feb 2012, German, #246
   http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles-de.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9222.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11576.0.html

4   The Global Intelligence Files
   27 Feb 2012, Portuguese, #247
   http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles-pt.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9280.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11575.0.html

5   WikiLeaks: Stratfor, em parceria com jornal brasileiro, capta informações para EUA e prediz morte de Chávez
   27 Feb 2012, Portuguese, #331
   http://correiodobrasil.com.br/wikileaks-stratfor-em-parceria-com-jornal-brasileiro-capta-informacoes-para-eua-e-prediz-morte-de-chavez/389132/
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9282.0.html
   Keywords: Chavez, Venezuela
   Topic #17: Contradictory reports about Chávez' health
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11587.0.html

6   "Wir weisen der CIA den Weg"
   27 Feb 2012, German, #38
   http://tagesschau.de/ausland/wikileaks336.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9129.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11588.0.html

7   WikiLeaks publishes 'millions' of Stratfor emails
   27 Feb 2012, English, #73
   http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/wikileaks-publishes-millions-of-stratfor-emails-180046&cp
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,8790.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11589.0.html

8   Les espions de STRATFOR en Tunisie
   01 Mar 2012, French, #231
   http://nawaat.org/portail/2012/03/01/les-espions-de-stratfor-en-tunisie/
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9128.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, Tunisia
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11578.0.html

9   Das Geschäft mit den Informationen: „Sexuell oder psychologisch abhängig“
   29 Feb 2012, German, #50
   http://taz.de/Das-Geschaeft-mit-den-Informationen/!88655/
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9130.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11590.0.html


10   Wikileaks-Info: Erdogans Bruch mit Israel war lange geplant
   29 Feb 2012, German, #121
   http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13895821/Erdogans-Bruch-mit-Israel-war-lange-geplant.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9134.0.html
   Keywords: Erdogan, Italy, Turkey
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11583.0.html

11   USA haben Anklageschrift gegen Assange längst fertig
   01 Mar 2012, German, #176
   http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/webwelt/article13896531/USA-haben-Anklageschrift-gegen-Assange-laengst-fertig.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9135.0.html
   Keywords: Assange, Sealed Indictment, USA, WikiLeaks
   Topic #10: U.S. Sealed Indictment against Assange
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11582.0.html

12   Spionage statt Recherche? Wikileaks-Enthüllung
   29 Feb 2012, German, #57
   http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/zapp/medien_politik_wirtschaft/wikileaks233.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9131.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11579.0.html

13   Les espions de STRATFOR en Tunisie
   01 Mar 2012, French, #231
   http://nawaat.org/portail/2012/03/01/les-espions-de-stratfor-en-tunisie/
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9128.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, Tunisia
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11578.0.html

14   The Global Intelligence Files
   27 Feb 2012, Spanish, #533
   http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles-es.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9519.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11577.0.html

15   The Global Intelligence Files
   27 Feb 2012, German, #246
   http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles-de.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9222.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11576.0.html

16   The Global Intelligence Files
   27 Feb 2012, Portuguese, #247
   http://wikileaks.org/the-gifiles-pt.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9280.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11575.0.html

17   Stratfor-Hack: WikiLeaks veröffentlicht Mails von US-Sicherheitsfirma
   27 Feb 2012, German, #120
   http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,817759,00.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9133.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11574.0.html

18   Stratfor-Hack: WikiLeaks blamiert die "Schatten-CIA"
   27 Feb 2012, German, #174
   http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,817838,00.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9219.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11573.0.html

19   WikiLeaks: US-Anklage gegen Assange existiert angeblich bereits
   28 Feb 2012, German, #119
   http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,818146,00.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9132.0.html
   Keywords: Assange, Sealed Indictment, USA, WikiLeaks
   Topic #10: U.S. Sealed Indictment against Assange
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11555.0.html

20   Espions des sables
   06 Mar 2012, French, #205
   http://owni.fr/2012/03/06/guerre-libye-syrie-gi-files-wikileaks/
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9126.0.html
   Keywords: Egypt, Libya, NATO, Syria, USA
   Topic #19: NATO troops operating inside Syria
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11554.0.html

21   Les Etats-Unis ont établi "un acte d'accusation secret" contre Julian Assange
   29 Feb 2012, French, #128
   http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2012/02/29/les-etats-unis-ont-etabli-un-acte-d-accusation-secret-contre-julian-assange_1649567_3222.html
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9127.0.html
   Keywords: Assange, Sealed Indictment, USA, WikiLeaks
   Topic #10: U.S. Sealed Indictment against Assange
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11553.0.html

22   Wikileaks revela milhões de documentos de empresa de espionagem norte americana
   27 Feb 2012, Portuguese, #330
   http://www.esquerda.net/artigo/wikileaks-revela-milhões-de-documentos-de-empresa-privada-de-inteligência-norte-americana/220
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9281.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11552.0.html

23   Stratfor: Por dentro de uma CIA privada
   01 Mar 2012, Portuguese, #329
   http://www.esquerda.net/artigo/stratfor-por-dentro-de-uma-cia-privada/22118
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9283.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11551.0.html

24   Wikileaks vs. Stratfor: Persigamos a verdade e não aqueles que a revelam
   05 Mar 2012, Portuguese, #328
   http://www.esquerda.net/opiniao/wikileaks-vs-stratfor-persigamos-verdade-e-não-aqueles-que-revelam/22174
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9284.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11550.0.html

25   Wikileaks: Новый WikiLeaks: файлы глобальной разведки
   27 Feb 2012, Russian, #31
   http://rusrep.ru/wikileaks_new
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9124.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11549.0.html

26   Wikileaks: Файлы глобальной разведки: секреты приватизации
   28 Feb 2012, Russian, #54
   http://rusrep.ru/article/2012/02/28/privatization
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9123.0.html
   Keywords: StratFor, WikiLeaks
   Topic #23: Stratfor, the "shadow CIA"
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11548.0.html

27   Блоги: К вопросу о генеральном прокуроре и аресте Ассанжа
   29 Feb 2012, Russian, #29
   http://rusrep.ru/article/2012/02/29/chaika_goodrich/
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9122.0.html
   Keywords: Chaika, Russia, StratFor
   Topic #20: Russian Prosecutor General was a Stratfor source
   New Forum URL: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11547.0.html

28   Wikileaks: Последний шанс
   02 Mar 2012, Russian, #66
   http://rusrep.ru/article/2012/03/02/lastchance
   WLF: https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,9121.0.html
   Keywords: Georgia, Russia, Ukraine
   New Forum URL:http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,11546.0.html

These posts will all be found on the GIF Board, where they were originally posted. I omitted one dublicate article from the list above so the total number of references are 28.