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Sigurdur Thordarson ( http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,19946.0.html ), the ex WikiLeaks volunteer who had an important role in the organization and cooperated with the FBI, has decided to publish a chat he had with the hacker Sabu on nov. 2011 to clear his position.

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Full Chat log with Sabu, November 2011 (8:04:04 PM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: how you doing my brother? [Image] (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1rl2uj1

https://twitter.com/singi201/status/350719958298271744

This chat reveals important details on how and from who WikiLeaks obtained the Syria Files ( http://wikileaks.org/syria-files/ ).

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Sigurdur Thordarson @singi201 - 28th June 2013 from TwitLonger   

Full Chat log with Sabu, November 2011

(8:04:04 PM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: how you doing my brother?
[Image] (8:04:10 PM) Unverified conversation with
[email protected]/jabber.org started.
(11/2/2011 2:47:29 AM)
[email protected]: all good on my and my
friend
(2:47:41 AM) [email protected]: on my
end my friend *
(2:47:46 AM) [email protected]: how's life'
(2:49:39 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: everythings good over here
(2:49:41 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: been busy
(2:49:51 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we ended up a certain governments central
mail server
(2:50:01 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: and got some grmmmph!ing massive leaks coming out
(2:50:11 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: you gents sure you're not wanting to do
anymore leaks?
(2:50:18 AM) [email protected]: Oh we
will make more leaks
(2:50:31 AM) [email protected]: we are
gathering material now'a days and getting more funds to keep hosting
our data servers
(2:50:42 AM) [email protected]: anything
else you can tell me about the comming out leaks?
(2:51:07 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: well between us. we ended up owning
syrian government central mail server. my teams working on translating
from arabic to english. but we are seeing crazy grmmmph!
(2:51:25 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: between us:
http://wikisend.com/download/829808/attachment.pdf
(2:51:42 AM) [email protected]: between
us.... i can't open this file on this computer
(2:51:49 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: ok
(2:52:04 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: you're being monitored?
(2:52:08 AM) [email protected]: no not at all
(2:52:17 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: k
(2:52:29 AM) [email protected]: im on a
secure computer now i can't open any links at all
(2:52:54 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: oh you had me worried haha
(2:52:55 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: well let me just paste the contents
(2:53:10 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: MT : 202
Ausgangsdatum : 11.10.2011
Empfänger : I202BKAUATWWXXXXN
UNICREDIT BANK AUSTRIA AG
VIENNA
Absender : F01COBADEFFAXXX3323215747
COMMERZBANK AG
FRANKFURT AM MAIN
:20: FGVS128407294300
:21: 2033/2011103/T
:32A: 111011EUR5000000,00
:52A: CBSYSYDA
:58A: CBSYSYDA
3: User Header : {103:EBA}{108:FGVS128407294300}
5: Trailer :
:21: 2033/2011103/T
Datum: 18.10.2011 COWIN
Seite 1 von 1
http://cowinweb.intranet.commerzbank.com/cowinweb/medit/masks/unnamed?pname...
18.10.2011
(2:53:12 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: syrian tresury sent austria 5million euro
one day before embargo
(2:53:13 AM) [email protected]: me?
monitored hahaha give me another one
(2:53:26 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we have another email of syria's tresury
sending russia 2 billion euro
(2:53:29 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: with full email headers
(2:53:31 AM) [email protected]: wait....
those are bank details?
(2:53:41 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: yup
(2:53:45 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: this is real grmmmph!
(2:54:08 AM) [email protected]: is this
something WL could get there hands on and get real and good
publicitiy?
(2:55:21 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: my brother. I'll give you url of email
attachments right now as a sample
(2:55:23 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: one minute
(2:55:35 AM) [email protected]: another
question i was asked to ask you, Are you being monitered? are you
safe? do you need any assistance from us?
(2:55:35 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: http://p.acket.org/_research/_syria/
(2:55:45 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: keep these grmmmph!ing urls to yourself. obviously
(2:56:03 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: nein but thanks for asking
(2:56:03 AM) [email protected]: off
course i will - I'll look at this when im finished in this computer
(2:56:16 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: the only assistance I need is money so I
can stop living in poverty and being the brokest hacker on earth
(2:56:17 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: hahaha
(2:56:37 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: tell julian that url has attachments
RIGHT from syrian government. including airline passes from syrian
embaassy
(2:57:30 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: misc:
http://p.acket.org/_research/SCADA_Manual/English/START_ENGLISH.htm
scada manual for 7-micro
(2:57:41 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: you ready for more?
(2:57:54 AM) [email protected]: Your
actually asking
(2:58:03 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: http://p.acket.org/_research/HSBCMX/AN/
HSBC Mexico leak. I was going to drop this
(2:58:07 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but you can looksie before hand
(2:58:11 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: tell me if you find anything interesting
(2:58:27 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: as you can see I been way too grmmmph!ing busy
(2:58:55 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]:
http://p.acket.org/_research/qatar_petroleum.tar.gz = qa.com.qa
qatar's petroleum company owned. we even own their scada systems
(2:59:10 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we can probably shut down their scada
systems and stop producing oil
(2:59:37 AM) [email protected]: We've
all been:) - Before releasing anything can you please let me know
before - so at least if you will release by your self then you get at
least some assistance from us
(3:00:10 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: ;)
(3:00:36 AM) [email protected]: Did J
say anything about recruiting you permanately?
(3:00:56 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: well he emailed me once but we didnt get to talk
(3:00:56 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: guess hes been busy/careful or whatever
(3:01:28 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but let him know we have intercepted 92GB
of mails from .gov.sy so this can be one of the biggest leaks in
history
(3:01:48 AM) [email protected]: Just to
point out one thing - If we are to recruit you - a meeting will have
to take place we can't be talking to a username forever
(3:02:09 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I don't care about that. but if you meet
me you better make sure you guys are secure
(3:02:14 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I refuse to go to jail for meeting anyone
(3:02:28 AM) [email protected]: we will
be secure im more worried about you
(3:02:43 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: especially me. they're trying to get me
really hard man
(3:02:53 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I think they're builing a real ugly case against me
(3:03:10 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I believe in this cause and J inspired me
to do what I'm doing
(3:03:15 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but it feels like they're trying to turn
me to a martyr
(3:03:43 AM) [email protected]: Believe
me when i say, i personally and this organization will do everything
we can to protect you from our end
(3:04:06 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: thanks brother.
(3:04:17 AM) [email protected]: Is it ok
to forward those links to julian?
(3:04:50 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: yup its my personal server. so leaking urls grmmmph! me
(3:04:52 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: well, not grmmmph! me but I get to lose a
really nice isp I rooted
(3:04:52 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: :)
(3:05:16 AM) [email protected]: haha no worries:)
(3:05:23 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: heres the full email regarding 2 billion
euro from syrian tresury to moscow
(3:05:27 AM) [email protected]: what
qatar compani is this?
(3:06:03 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: DomainKey-Status: no signature
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(3:06:03 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: qa.com.qa qatar patroleum. one of the
biggest if not the biggest oil company in qatar
(3:06:14 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I have the attachment to the 2 billion
euro email I'll upload it to my server in a few minutes
(3:06:48 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: nm. heres the contents to the .doc
(3:06:59 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: ATTN: Mr. Sergey Avakov Managing Director
Financial Institutions JSC VTB Bank

Dear Mr. Avakov,

In reply to your message dated 26.10.2011 please be informed that
following your good bank’s
proposals, which we have received previously, we have raised the total
amount of deposits up
to more than EUR 2 bln. Please note that the matter of extending the
terms of the Central Bank
of Syria existing deposits at the moment remains under consideration.
We shall inform you
accordingly when any decision in this regard is taken.

Meanwhile, we kindly ask you to open an account in Russian rubles in
the name of our bank or
provide us with your instructions on the actions, that we should take
in order to open such an
account.

We remain in anticipation of your reply and look forward to expanding
our fruitful cooperation.

Best regards,
(3:07:31 AM) [email protected]: Russia
is actually quiet a secure place to meet it
(3:07:41 AM) [email protected]: or even iceland
(3:07:47 AM) [email protected]:
Ellingham is to dangerous
(3:07:57 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: word up
(3:08:13 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: did you ever take a look at that
icelandic doc I sent you guys?
(3:08:40 AM) [email protected]: the
icelandic report you sent was quiet interesting acutally labeled
Confidential from the .is State Police
(3:08:56 AM) [email protected]: about
the security units the US Embassy has in iceland
(3:09:05 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: get the grmmmph! out of here?
(3:09:08 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: nice ;)
(3:09:18 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I thought it was all low level files
(3:09:42 AM) [email protected]: Well...
the bad news is that a large part of that report has already been
published by the Department of Justice
(3:09:52 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: ah
(3:10:15 AM) [email protected]: Will
those links be active for few hours?
(3:10:34 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: yup take advantage. If I upload anymore
I'll link you here
(3:10:44 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: if I get access to my chinese vps hosting
your .is files
(3:10:48 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I'll forward you links
(3:10:52 AM) [email protected]: well
obviously i would wan't it all
(3:11:26 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: couldnt afford to pay the bill so they
shut it down but the files are stored safely on the box haha. just got
to reactivate it
(3:11:40 AM) [email protected]: how much
is the bill
(3:12:21 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: its bullgrmmmph!. I'll handle it with a vcc.
isue is I got 7 vs' with them so its one bill I'll let you know if I
need help with it
(3:12:36 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: not to beat an old topic already
(3:12:45 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but regarding the 92GB of syrian mail
(3:13:01 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we need a way to distribute that much
mail, but also, translators to find the good grmmmph!
(3:13:20 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I only got one yemeni in my team
(3:13:30 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: and we have some syrians helping us but
its a slow process
(3:13:41 AM) [email protected]: You need
arabic individuals?
(3:13:56 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: yes. trusted individuals
(3:14:03 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we wanted to release through wikileaks
though. #antisec might get some attention
(3:14:07 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but we dont know HOW MUCH attention
(3:14:15 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: WL will probably be able to use it better
(3:15:27 AM) [email protected]: We need
to set up "camp" for this magnitude - This is also good for wl then
people will hopefully start to think we aren't focusing entirely on
the US
(3:15:45 AM) [email protected]: What do
you expect of wl in regards of syrian emails?
(3:16:02 AM) [email protected]: not the
publication progress, i mean the handling and prepearing
(3:16:25 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: not sure really. we need to think about
it and discuss one of these days
(3:16:29 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: either way it wont be released for a while
(3:16:49 AM) [email protected]: Do you
feel comfortable traveling to Iceland?
(3:17:07 AM) [email protected]: or do
you wan't us to travel somwhere?
(3:18:27 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: unfortunately I'm a grown ass man with
kids, so I don't have the luxory of traveling the world
(3:18:51 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but if you sneak yourself out to new york
we'll meet up at a bar on some random grmmmph!
(3:19:03 AM) [email protected]: haha new york?
(3:19:11 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: haha yeah
(3:19:43 AM) [email protected]: you
don't ask for little my friend
(3:20:04 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: take your time brother
(3:20:14 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but its easy to hide in this city
(3:20:54 AM) [email protected]: well
worst case scenario i get stopped in NY customs - but i do not think
that will happen
(3:21:21 AM) [email protected]: I can be
in NY tomorrow but i won't go there unless your 100%
(3:21:43 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I'm 100% but again my grmmmph! I can't risk
going to jail now. I've been hiding for so long
(3:22:04 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: so be private about every grmmmph!ing thing
(3:22:38 AM) [email protected]: give me
a date that suits you and i will try my outmost to be ther
(3:22:39 AM) [email protected]: e
(3:23:33 AM) [email protected]: if i get
stopped in the US and they realize who i am then im going to jail so i
ask you the same be not private but be very private about everything
(3:23:52 AM) [email protected]: and you
need to know that if i travel there i will be traveling with a close
protection unit
(3:24:45 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: thats fine. im from the ghetto so I got
people too :)
(3:25:25 AM) [email protected]: :)
(3:25:55 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: choose a date I leave it in your hands an
we'll meet publicly
(3:26:40 AM) [email protected]: I will
let you know tomorrow or in 2 days, Julian's hearing is tomorrow if i
remember correctly and i need a green light from him before doing
anything
(3:26:57 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: sounds good. wish him luck for me
(3:27:04 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: btw hows that whole case going anyway?
(3:27:21 AM) [email protected]: Well....
we know as much as you do
(3:27:34 AM) [email protected]: haven't
heard anything from the judges since July
(3:27:35 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: damn. no good
(3:29:13 AM) [email protected]: Now
another matter - remember the video of me and J i sent you? or well
you didn't see me - as proof of us , can you send me any proof that
you actually exist with out revelaing who you are - so i don't just go
and spend alot of money and then nothing happens - that's what im most
worried about except your safety
(3:30:54 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I'll take a pic with my guy fawks mask
and todays date or something
(3:32:07 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: or you want something else?
(3:33:09 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: or call my disposable google voice number
(3:34:53 AM) [email protected]: well i
honestly think that both ways is a good opinion then you can hear how
i sound and everything builts more trust from me to you and from you
to me
(3:35:47 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: aight. you'll probably be one of few
people in the world to hear me
(3:35:58 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I'll setup a quick gvoice account. give
me 5 minutes
(3:35:58 AM) [email protected]: but like
i said if you don't think it's safe we don't do it
(3:36:27 AM) [email protected]: i'll
call from my real number - so if anything happens any time, day or
night do call me
(3:37:24 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: sec
(3:38:02 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: (646) 801-8034 call me in 5 minutes
charging my prepaid phone
(3:38:35 AM) [email protected]: anything
specific you wan't to talk about or just to say hi or what?
(3:38:43 AM) [email protected]: i don't
really know what to say when i call :/
(3:39:09 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: just dont use keywords
(3:39:22 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: like WIKILEAKS or SABU or ANONYMOUS hahahah
(3:39:22 AM) [email protected]: haha im
alot but im not born yesterday :)
(3:39:26 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: ;)
(3:39:56 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: talk about whatever mate
(3:39:58 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: brb
(3:42:16 AM) [email protected]: Ready
when you are:)
(3:43:31 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: go ahead brother
(3:43:35 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: I got one bar. its enough
(3:44:53 AM) [email protected]: ringign
(3:47:19 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: word up
(3:47:40 AM) [email protected]: Thanks:)
(3:48:09 AM) [email protected]: i really
appriciate this man
(3:48:19 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: no problem.
(3:48:24 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: you're probably 3rd person to speak to me
(3:48:41 AM) [email protected]: lul
(3:49:33 AM) [email protected]: well my
man getting 4 am here and my bed is yelling at me
(3:50:58 AM) [email protected]: again
thank you, let me know if there's anything we can do and i'll keep in
touch tomorrow regarding NY
(3:53:50 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: ok goodnight brrother
(3:54:09 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: my team and yours are in the same boat -
funding. this research grmmmph! gets expensive
(3:54:09 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: but we'll talk soon
(3:54:11 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: goodnight

Source: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rl2uj1

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I think this document has very important implications and opens many questions that I really feel the need of writing here.

Here it shows that Sabu and his group are those who have found the Syria files, and he suggests WL via Siggi to leak these files:

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(2:49:51 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we ended up a certain governments central
mail server
(2:50:01 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: and got some grmmmph!ing massive leaks coming out
(2:50:11 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: you gents sure you're not wanting to do
anymore leaks?
***

(2:50:42 AM) [email protected]: anything
else you can tell me about the comming out leaks?
(2:51:07 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: well between us. we ended up owning
syrian government central mail server. my teams working on translating
from arabic to english. but we are seeing crazy grmmmph!
***

More: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rl2uj1

[The content of a Syrian government's bank transation described after in the chat actually is a Syria File that after has been released by WikiLeaks; one can verify using the WikiLeaks search engine: http://search.wikileaks.org/syria-files/ ]

Now,  Sabu in november 2011 already was a FBI infiltrated informant ...

" On March 6, 2012, Sabu was revealed to be Hector Xavier Monsegur, a 28-year old, unemployed[1] foster parent of two girls who were the children of Sabu's incarcerated aunt.[12] Sabu attended but did not graduate from Washington Irving High School.[1] He had been residing in his late grandmother's apartment in the Riis Houses in New York City.[13]

Federal agents arrested Monsegur on June 7, 2011. The following day, Monsegur agreed to become an informant for the FBI and to continue his "Sabu" persona.[14][15] "Since literally the day he was arrested, the defendant has been cooperating with the government proactively," sometimes staying up all night engaging in conversations with co-conspirators to help the government build cases against them, Assistant U.S. Attorney James Pastore said at a secret bail hearing on Aug. 5, 2011.[14] A few days after that bail hearing, Monsegur entered a guilty plea to 12 criminal charges, including multiple counts of conspiracy to engage in computer hacking, computer hacking in furtherance of fraud, conspiracy to commit access device fraud, conspiracy to commit bank fraud and aggravated identity theft. He faces up to 124 years in prison. " ... (source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabu_%28hacktivist%29 )


Question 1: As the Syria Files were found by a FBI agent and his group of hackers, was it the US government directly ordering to hack the Syrian government emails?

If this were the truth, we would have a huge, heavy, illegal political interference from a government in the affairs of another government...

Question 2 : The Syria files were released on 5 July 2012 ( "Today, Thursday 5 July 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing the Syria Files – more than two million emails from Syrian political figures, ministries and associated companies, dating from August 2006 to March 2012..." Source: http://wikileaks.org/syria-files/ ) BUT WikiLeaks KNEW he was a FBI informant since before:

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WikiLeaks @wikileaks

FBI informant Sabu tried to entrap anonymous hackers with $ for info (chat log from August 11) http://pastebin.com/zDTEqcfD 

Tweeted on 6 March 2012
Source: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/177090092840656896

Why has WikiLeaks, knowing the Syria Files emails had been picked up by a US/FBI lead group of hackers, anyway released the files with the risk they could have been a US-Government-lead leak?

Question 3:

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(2:53:12 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: syrian tresury sent austria 5million euro
one day before embargo
(2:53:13 AM) [email protected]: me?
monitored hahaha give me another one
(2:53:26 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: we have another email of syria's tresury
sending russia 2 billion euro
(2:53:29 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: with full email headers
(2:53:31 AM) [email protected]: wait....
those are bank details?
(2:53:41 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: yup
(2:53:45 AM) Sabu [Lulzsec]: this is real grmmmph!
(2:54:08 AM) [email protected]: is this
something WL could get there hands on and get real and good
publicitiy?

... Does WikiLeaks publish for pubblicity ??