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This day in WikiLeaks july 20 2013 reports this on Ex- WikiLeaks volunteer "Siggi" :

" FBI informant Sigurdur "Siggi" Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine (with a separate article with his comments on Adrian Lamo). WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson did a Q&A with Grapevine in response to the interview, in which he stressed Siggi's acts of theft and frequent lying "

Source: http://www.thisdayinwikileaks.org/2013/07/20-july-2013.html

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 20.7.2013 - Words by Páll Hilmarsson - Photos by Hörður Sveinsson

In early 2010, a young man was arrested in Reykjavík on charges of stealing sensitive documents from local financial company, Milestone, which had made their way into news stories in the Icelandic media. The man, seventeen at the time, had worked for the company doing computer related work for a few years. His name is Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson and for the next year and a half he became a part of the whistleblowing association WikiLeaks, operating under the alias ‘Q’. In a stunning move, he became an FBI informant in August 2011, mostly providing the United States law enforcement agency with information on WikiLeaks, among them eight data-filled hard drives.

When news came out that Sigurður was an informant, WikiLeaks representatives swore off any connections to him, while the media reported that he was in an unstable mental state and had been admitted to a mental institution. In the past two years, Sigurður Þórðarson has been widely discredited, repeatedly called a pathological liar and/or a psychopath, and sued for embezzlement while remaining entangled in a far-reaching and complicated saga that has had astonishing consequences for the Western worldview in the 21st century.

This is his side of the story.



“I was arrested for the Milestone leak in late January 2010. Kristinn Hrafnsson called me after that, I had been providing him with documents [the Milestone leak], and he wanted me to meet this guy named Julian Assange. I had no idea who he was at the time. I tried googling him, but I didn’t come up with much. I found one YouTube video of a radio interview with him, and I just thought that he was like 90% of the activists out there, who say they are going to do all kinds of things and then nothing comes of it. But my schedule was open, so I went to see him give a talk on whistleblowers at a local university.”

“When I walked into the auditorium, he was telling off a journalist who outed me on the front page of his newspaper as the provider of the Milestone documents, so my first impression was great. I introduced myself to him after the talk and he said that Kristinn had mentioned me. We then talked for three or four hours. He ended up giving me a crypto phone to use for contacting him. I was seventeen; I had no idea about anything like this and thought it was very cool. The next weeks we met daily. We went and bought two laptops—by some strange coincidence, they were of the same make and model as the laptop that was later found in Alþingi."



Collateral Murder

“We started meeting regularly, him and me and some Icelanders. Usually at the restaurant Sægreifinn by the harbour. Assange really liked their lobster soup. Then one day Birgitta Jónsdóttir, a local MP for the Movement, picked me up from a café downtown and we went to her home, where Assange showed me the “Collateral Murder” video. This was in February or March of 2010.”

“I remember that night especially well. I had never seen a video like it before. It was like watching a movie or a computer game. Later, I went to a friend’s house, where some peo- ple were playing “Call of Duty” [a war-simulation videogame]. I looked at it and thought, 'wow; this is exactly the same as the video I just saw.' The day after, I met with Assange, and he told me that there was more material of the same kind coming in. I felt like I was in a spy movie. It was exciting.”

“Assange then left Iceland and I continued working for him. Do- ing research and things like that. He gave me another laptop and things were going great. And then the “Collateral Murder” video gets published. I was on the phone with Kristinn Hrafnsson that day. He was in Iraq. Everything went crazy. I continued to keep contact with Assange over the Internet and I hung out in the WikiLeaks IRC chatroom. Then, that summer, a number of people left WikiLeaks, Daniel Domscheit-Berg, Herbert Snorrason and Smári McCarthy for example. That’s when my role within the organisation changed.”


Photo Courtesy of Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson

Chief of staff

“I essentially took over the organisation’s IRC chatroom. WikiLeaks was getting really famous at that point, and all kinds of individuals were joining in the conversation on the chatroom. A lot of media agencies and people wanting to volunteer for WikiLeaks joined. At that time, the key-group running WikiLeaks num- bered 6 or 7 people, which was pretty small for the work we were doing at the time. So it was decided to use the people who joined the chat, if they wanted to help. We set up around 100 groups that each numbered from 10 to 20 people. These were all individuals that I handled for WikiLeaks. Their only connection to the organisation was through me. The tasks came from Assange or whomever needed work done. Some involved programming, some involved research. It all went very well at that time.”

“Instead of explaining my role for each and every volunteer, it was easier to just tell them that I was Chief of staff or Chief of volunteers. In reality, WikiLeaks had no official titles or roles, but this was just easier to say.”

Growing pains

“Then the WikiLeaks servers crashed and we needed a new web page, a new submission system and a way to finance the organisation. I got volunteers to research ways to finance this, and I assigned others to make a new web page. We had some Dutch volunteers working on a new submission system. It got pretty far, but Assange was reluctant to launch it. I never really understood why. I guess he didn’t really trust that they weren’t putting backdoors into the system.”

“The situation was all one big chaos. But we got the new web up and I received a report on possible ways to finance the organisation. The one idea that I liked was selling WikiLeaks branded merchandise. Kristinn Hrafnsson said that the idea was total bullgrmmmph!, that it would never work. I discussed it with Assange and he was also unsure. In the end, I just went ahead with it, deciding to take on the losses if the project would fail. I put my bank account on the line for this, as there was trouble at the time with Visa and MasterCard not accepting donations to WikiLeaks. Everybody was happy with it. Assange said to me: just put it into your account.”

Anonymous and LulzSec

“In June or July of 2011, we got in contact with the hacker groups Anonymous and LulzSec. I initiated the contact, but it was with the approval and initiative of Julian Assange. At the time, I discussed this with Assange and he said that he didn't care where the information comes from, as long as we had something to publish.”

“An Icelander contacted me with the idea of accessing the data servers of the Icelandic Ministry of Finance. I forward the idea to Anonymous and LulzSec, and what essentially happens as a result is that all the computer systems for the national power company, Landsvirkjun, and the Government offices go offline.”

“That’s when I started realising that this might be fun, but that it was also wrong. I was in touch with the hacker Sabu, who kept constantly pushing documents to me. Information on BP Oil, HSBC in Mexico, the Stratfor emails [in February of 2012, WikiLeaks published emails from the global intelligence company Stratfor's employees and its clients, referred to as the Global Intelligence Files] I thought it was interesting, but I was reluctant in forwarding it to WikiLeaks. Sabu was different from other sources that needed you to take initiative. He was always like ‘Hey, here’s some documents, here’s some documents!’ It was out of the ordinary. I was at the time involved with FBI and LulzSec, and I had no idea Sabu was also an FBI informant.”

“Eventually, I told Julian that I didn't want to accept these documents from him, because they were obtained illegally. That’s when our disagreement starts.”


Bradley Manning - Photo Courtesy of the US Army

Contact with the FBI

“Around August 24, 2011, I emailed the United States Embassy in Reykjavík in the middle of the night, saying that I have some information they might be interested in. They called me back the next morning, and I met with them for maybe 20 minutes. They told me that it was unlikely that I’d be contacted again, but if it happened then it would be in a few weeks. Then, the following morning at 10, my phone rang, it was them requesting another meeting. I rushed to the embassy, and a man I met there asked me if we could take a walk. We ended up at the hotel Reykjavík Centrum. Two men were sitting by the bar. The man from the embassy leaves and the two men come over and show me identification, stating that they are FBI agents. It felt like a movie.”

“They had brought a team of nine people. They said that a woman from the Icelandic justice department was there, and that she wanted to speak with me before we talked. I had said to the embassy that I did not want the Icelandic authorities involved, that I did not trust them, but I agreed to talk to the woman. They went to get her, but by then she had left. The Ministry pulled her out. We talked for the next four, five days at various hotels in the city.”

Leaking

“The agents told me that they wanted my data, that they wanted to know more but couldn't operate in Iceland any longer. So they asked me to join them somewhere. They said that I could pick any country in world, any state in the USA. I tell them that I’m not going to the USA—that would be a one-way ticket. I suggest Moscow, Russia, which they didn’t find funny, explaining that their relations with the Russian secret service community wasn’t so hot. We wound up going to the closest country, Denmark.”

“Before I left for the airport I got a text message saying that I should pretend to not know the agents while travelling and that we will only speak after landing. At the airport they all pretend not to know one another, or me, but wherever I went they followed me. In Copenhagen we checked into the Hilton hotel by the airport. To the best of my knowledge, the Danish authorities were not involved. I doubt that they would have been happy with the FBI interrogating an Icelandic citizen in Denmark. We stayed there for 24 hours talking, and their technicians cloned some hard drives that I brought with me.”

Leaving WikiLeaks

“In September, October 2011, I left WikiLeaks. The organisation owed me money at some point, 7–800 thousand ISK. It was accumulated costs for flights, hotels, and travel for Assange’s bodyguards. When I hadn’t been paid for six weeks, I asked Assange if it was OK for me to use the money coming in from the WikiLeaks merchandise shop I had set up, to cover my costs. He said that was fine. I used money from the shop for WikiLeaks related things, buying computers and supplies for volunteers and such.”

“When I left, WikiLeaks asked me to return all the receipts so that they could confirm the accounts. They wanted me to repay all the money, and then pay me back when they’d verified the receipts. I told them that I had no way of repaying 5-6 million ISK on the spot. I knew that WikiLeaks was in financial trouble and owed 3 million Euros in legal fees, so I asked if they were really going to pay me back if I handed over the money. They said they would, but that it could take three months. I reply that they can have the receipts, but that’s as far as I’m willing to go. In May of 2012, they filed charges in Iceland against me for embezzlement, saying that I was involved in fraud and forgeries.”

“I was interrogated by the Icelandic police, but the merchandise shop was in my name. I do not deny that I’ve deceived people and forged things in other cases, but not regarding WikiLeaks. Eventually the case was dropped due to lack of evidence.“

Travelling with the FBI

“In October 2011 I again met with the FBI in Denmark. We stay at five star hotels, and regularly go to McDonalds. It was exciting. They knew that I’d left WikiLeaks at the time, but still kept pressuring me to go and visit Julian Assange in the UK. They wanted me to wear a special watch that could record sound. I told them no, just as I had done in August when they brought it up then. They wanted to know if I feared for my safety, if I was afraid Assange would attack me. I told them, Assange isn’t a violent man.”

“In February of 2011, they flew me to Washington where we talked for four days. Intelligence analysts from all kinds of three letter acronym institutions joined. We talked about individuals, about Assange’s physical security; who his bodyguards are and such. They were mostly interested in Assange, but also in Icelanders like Birgitta Jónsdóttir, Smári McCarthy, Herbert Snorrason and Kristinn Hrafnsson. They explained that if I wanted, I could walk out anytime, and requested that I refrain from recording the sessions. I thought that was understandable.”


Photo Courtesy of Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson

Outed

In January of this year, WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson was interviewed by local news programme, Kastljós, revealing that the FBI had conducted an investigation into WikiLeaks in Iceland.

“Kristinn didn’t know it was me who had been interrogated, not until I phoned him. ‘It was me who they were talking to,’ I told him. I swear he went silent for a full minute—I could tell he was fuming on the inside—and then he said that I shouldn’t talk to any media. I replied with ‘If you can do it, why can’t I?’ He became furious. He’s the only person that I’ve ever been afraid of. This was the last time I had direct contact with Kristinn, all our interactions have taken place through third parties after this.”

“The same day that the story broke in the Icelandic media, I’m on my way to Amsterdam. I got a phone call from an Icelandic journalist. He told me that he has sources saying that I’m in a mental institution, that I have mental problems and that my history with the police is long. He made me an offer: ‘You give us an interview on this FBI case and then we won’t publish that.’ I told him no, but offered to send him any information on me that he wants, medical records, to disprove the mental problem allegations. He then says that he’s not interested in this. Later that day I read in the media that I was in a mental institution.”

“I know who his source was, it’s a person I used to work with at a security company and whom I once hired to be a bodyguard for WikiLeaks. He was present when I met with the FBI in Denmark and he told this Icelandic journalist that I had gotten paid for providing information and made up a lot of stories. I’ve never bothered discussing things with the media. My experience with that is not good.”

Whistleblowing or leaking

“I don’t view Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden as whistleblowers, I view them as leakers. They leaked information. There is a great difference. Bradley Manning just leaked everything. To whistleblow is to expose something criminal. Less than 10% of what he leaked showed something that could theoretically be criminal, and maybe 1% was criminal behaviour. That’s the big difference. Who cares if a United States ambassador buys a pink toothbrush? This is information that does not need to be disclosed. Edward Snowden leaked information on legal activities. The spying is legal, Congress and judges approve it. Do I think the treatment they’ve received is fair? No, not at all. But I don’t view them as whistleblowers.”

“To say that Iceland is a country for whistleblowers is like saying that we all live in igloos. It’s equally out of touch with reality. Like IMMI, it was named ‘the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative’ and now its named ‘Icelandic Modern Media Institute.’ And what have they done? Nothing. I was arrested for leaking information, I tried what I could. You could say that I tried to ‘save the nation’ by leaking information.”

“I whistleblew on the whistleblowers. I know that there were some things that Assange and others connected with WikiLeaks, me included, did where laws were broken, both in Iceland and the United States. I don’t know what happens next. I’m not going to the USA in the near future. In my last meeting with the FBI they discussed the possibility that I would testify in court. I told them I’d decide on that if it would come to that.”

Sigurður Þórðarson says that he has no contact with Assange today.



Photos in sidebar by Árný Herbertsdóttir, Julia Staples, www.newmediadays.com — Peter Erichsen SHARE conference, and JD Lasica

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WikiLeaks Timeline - From 2007 to present

December 2007 - WikiLeaks launches official website.

August 2009 - Kaupþing Bank secures court order preventing Iceland’s national broadcaster, RÚV, from broadcasting WikiLeaks reports showing Kaupþing Bank loaned suspiciously large sums of money to various owners of the bank, and large debts were written off before the collapse of the banking sector.

February 2010 - Julian Assange advises Icelandic Modern Media Initiative proposal that Iceland, “strongly position itself legally with regard to the protection of freedoms of expression and information.”

- Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson, Siggi, Q, begins working for WikiLeaks.

March 2010 - Julian Assange claims US government was spying on WikiLeaks activities in Reykjavík.

April 2010 - WikiLeaks releases video of US Apache military helicopter killing Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists, a.k.a. ‘Collateral Murder,’ with the help of Icelandic volunteers.

June 2010 - US soldier Bradley Manning arrested for supplying confidential documents to WikiLeaks

July 2010 - WikiLeaks publishes Afghan War Diaries: 92,000 documents of US military memos.

August 2010 - Swedish police issue arrest warrant for Assange on two separate allegations of sexual assault.

September 2010 - Birgitta Jónsdóttir calls for Assange to step down during his personal legal battles.

October 2010 - WikiLeaks publishes Iraq War logs: 400,000 documents on the Iraq War from 2004–2009

November 2010 - WikiLeaks releases 250,000 confidential US diplomatic/embassy cables with incriminating information about US foreign relations and activities.

December 2010 - Julian Assange gives himself over to London’s police, awaits extradition to Sweden on sexual assault charges.

August 2010 - Prominent WikiLeaks staffers quit the organisation in protest of Julian Assange’s leadership and insufficient redactions in Iraq War Logs

January 2011 - Birgitta Jónsdóttir fights US government’s demand for her Twitter account details.

July 2011 - Julian Assange appeals extradition.

August 2011 - Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson approaches US embassy in Reykjavík with information about WikiLeaks

November 2011 - The British High Court rejects Julian Assange’s appeal.

June 2012 - Assange files for political asylum at Ecuador’s embassy in London, takes refuge there.

July 2012 - The Reykjavík District Court rules that Valitor, which handles Visa and MasterCard payments in Iceland, was in the wrong when it prevented cardholders from donating funds to the WikiLeaks site.

August 2012 - Julian Assange is offered asylum in Ecuador.

September 2012 - Julian Assange addresses the UN in support of Bradley Manning and the Arab Spring while criticising President Obama for “criminalizing more speech than all previous US presidents combined.”

December 2012 - Bradley Manning pleads guilty to 10 of 22 charges.

June 2013 - Icelandic former director of Data-Cell Ólafur Vignir Sigurvinsson says a chartered jet is prepared to transport Edward Snowden to Iceland.

- Julian Assange brokers discussion of political asylum between Edward Snowden and the Government of Iceland.

- Sarah Harrison of WikiLeaks accompanies Snowden on flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. Julian Assange tells reporters that he paid for Snowden’s lodgings in Hong Kong and his flight out of the country.

- Julian Assange hails Snowden as a “hero” who has exposed “one of the most serious events of the decade—the creeping formulation of a mass surveillance state.”

- Assange released a statement asking people to “step forward and stand in” with Snowden.

July 2013 - Bradley Manning’s lawyers seek to dismiss charges of aiding the enemy.

- WikiLeaks reveals Snowden applied for political asylum in 20 countries.

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THE OTHER SIDE of Siggi The Hacker

Name: Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson

DoB: October 12, 1992 Astrology sign: Libra

Eyes: Blue

Distinctive feature: That’s a good question.

Education: College

Favourite...

Food: Oven roasted chicken with bell pepper BBQ sauce

Drink: Coca Cola

Film: Forrest Gump

Video game: Hitman

Song: n/a

Band: n/a

Book: The Unauthorized Biography of Julian Assange

Artist: n/a

Leisure activity: Outdoor activities

City: Washington DC, there are such interesting people there

WikiLeaks character: Joseph

Radio station: Flassback

Actor: n/a

Icelandic MP: Birgitta Jónsdóttir international

Politician: Hillary Clinton

Dessert: Chocolate Mousse

What’s the most fun thing you’ve done? Travelling. My travel partner was even crazier than I.

What’s the craziest thing you’ve done? I’m not allowed to tell.

What would you bring to a desert island? A cell phone tower, a 3G stick and a laptop.

Which country do you most want to visit? Russia

Which country do you least want to visit? The United States

Where would you rather go, a space station or the bottom of the sea? Space station, it has better view.

Of what achievement are you most proud? Running up the Eiffel tower with a box of strawberries for provisions.

Kanye or Jay-Z? Who?

What would your dream day be like? For McDonalds to come to Iceland.

What’s the wackiest thing you’ve found out during your hacking exploits? How unsafe Icelanders are.

Does the Illuminati exist? Did you find out anything about them while hacking? No comment.

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Additional reporting from Adrienne Blaine, Shea Sweeney, Tómas Gabríel Benjamin and Kaisu Nevasalmi



Related:

Kristinn on Siggi: Don't Believe The Hype

Adrian Lamo vs. Siggi

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Source: http://grapevine.is/Features/ReadArticle/Q

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 15:08:28 PM »
Related article with his comments on Adrian Lamo:

Adrian Lamo vs. Siggi

20.7.2013 - Words by Páll Hilmarsson - Photos by Hörður Sveinsson

On June 2010, threat analyst Adrian Lamo, in recent years most famous for participating in (and publishing logs of) chats with Bradley Manning, which resulted in Manning being detained and charged for leaking documents to WikiLeaks, received a message via Facebook. It read:

“My name is Sigurdur Ingi i am a journalist living and working at the newspaper Pressan.is in Iceland. And i was interesting in getting in touch with your regarding the Wikileaks source being arrested and perhaps get an interview with you that i would later translate into Icelandic, this case about the source being arrested is making a huge influence here in Iceland. People here in Iceland "love" Wikileaks couse couple of months ago they released the Kaupthing Bank Loan book. People are interested in the case. Could you please contact me via email [REDACTED] or via phone.”

As far as the Reykjavík Grapevine knows, Sigurður Ingi was not working, nor has he ever worked, at the online news site Pressan.is

Adrian did not trust Siggi and the interaction went no further. Two years later, in October 2012, he received another Facebook message from Siggi:

“Hello Adrian, My name is Sigurdur as my facebook states, but my other name is "Q" and ofted reffered to as the chief of staff, chief of volunteers or somethings else, at WikiLeaks, my old alias was "PenguinX" you state in your facebook comment that Simon at BBC might be interested on talking to people in relation to anonymous or lulzsec, do you think that Simon would be interested in talking to people like me? i can't say im a very popular person at the Wikileaks group right now, but iv'e had my moment like someone said.”

Lamo replied:

“Absolutely. What's your e-mail address?

Oh, and um I'm sorry I missed your message from 2010, it was kind of a busy time for me. :x”

And Siggi replied:

“Yeah understandable, and that was basically me pretending to be a news reporter, trying get some information that wasn't know, for Assange
so im sorry about that to :)”

When asked what he thinks Siggi’s intent was, Lamo stated “Because of ST's penchant for misrepresentation, it's difficult to ascertain the veracity of his representations regarding JA’s [Julian Assange’s] involvement in his contact with me—it's possible that he was freelancing and simply thought JA would be positively disposed towards his actions, but may not have actually been aware of them a priori. I have no particular reason to doubt this particular representation, but the element of doubt exists”

We asked Siggi about his reasons for contacting Lamo. He replied via email:

“Assange asked that he’d be ‘looked into.’ I contacted him under the pretense that I was a reported looking for an interview. Then it was tried to get information out of him (because of Manning).”

Lamo said via email that: “to some extent I can understand the motivation—when I was his age, I was not always particularly judicious in my choices, and I was rather cavalier about how my actions affected others. I imagine that the entire affair must have been exciting for him while it lasted, and I don't think he's really internalized the seriousness of it—he seems to still be treating it as a bit of fun. On the other hand, JA involved ST [Siggi] in affairs that he may not have been mature enough to understand the gravity of—it's my same take as with Manning, that JA, as the older and more sophisticated individual, should have been aware that these people were getting in over their heads, and that things would probably end poorly for them. Perhaps he was. I can certainly understand the concept of having values that matter more than another person's well-being, even if I disagree with the execution of the ones in play here.”

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Related:

Q - Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson's side of the story

Kristinn on Siggi: Don't Believe The Hype

Source: http://grapevine.is/Features/ReadArticle/Adrian-Lamo-Vs-Siggi

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
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Related article:

Kristinn on Siggi: Don't Believe The Hype


Siggi disclaimer: A Q&A with WikiLeaks spokesperson Kristinn Hrafnsson

20.7.2013 - Words by Shea Sweeney - Photos by JD Lasica

We called up WikiLeaks spokesperson Kristinn Hrafnsson to run some of Siggi’s statements by him and also offer him a chance to give his perspective on the whole Siggi/WikiLeaks/FBI affair. What follows is our conversation.

Hi Kristinn. We are publishing and in-depth interview with Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson, Siggi, regarding his role within WikiLeaks and his involvement with the FBI. Would you care to comment on your dealings with him?

I’m sure I would like to comment.

Firstly, can you confirm that you introduced Siggi to Julian Assange?

Let’s see. I think that he met Assange for the first time when Assange was speaking at the University of Iceland [in 2010], at an open lunch forum about the IMMI project. He attended, and I believe it’s correct that I probably introduced him to Julian at that point. I don’t think that they had met before that.

What was Siggi’s role within WikiLeaks?

Well, his role within WikiLeaks was volunteer, as he has testified himself. Unless he’s lying about it, which he has done frequently on various different venues, calling himself a board member, a chief of staff, what have you. His role was basically as a volunteer. Around the fall of 2010, he took part in moderating the open chat forum. And then when one of the supporters approached him on that forum with the idea of raising money for WikiLeaks through online sales of t-shirts and coffee mugs and things of that nature. He was tasked to oversee the project, which resulted in him stealing or embezzling—whatever words you would use for it—around $50,000, which was the proceeds from the sales.

Is there anything else that you would like to say about him?

Oh I could say a lot about Sigurður Þórðarson. I mean, he is a liar, a pathological one it seems from our experience. He is of course a thief. His apparent involvement with the US Embassy and the FBI started in late August 2011, when I was starting to press him about the proceeds of the sales from the merchandise I mentioned. And shortly thereafter, he indicated that he would break up all relations and was no longer volunteering for WikiLeaks, so I mean from the point he was in contact with the US Embassy and started as a voluntary informant for the FBI, he had no contact with the organisation.

Why was he allowed into WikiLeaks? Was it not obvious that he was a pathological liar?

You can talk to various journalists in Iceland and they will basically tell you the story that it took a little time to come to that conclusion. And, I mean, his role was not of any major importance from a security point of view. He didn’t have any access to source material. He couldn’t compromise any great things. We did have to rely on a lot of volunteers, and he seemed honest. He had a back history that lead us to believe that he understood the importance of the cause, but it turned out to be quite a disappointing connection.

Did he do anything positive?

Did he do anything positive?

Yes.

You know, apart from being an FBI informant and trying to steal $50,000 from a cash strapped organisation, well I mean you can just imagine how that question would sound in anybody’s mind. Trying to balance anything positive. The question is a little bit absurd.

He set out to do damage. He is an attention seeker who is still going on, in between the phases when he’s attempting to apologise to my colleagues and myself. He has signed a confession admitting to the thefts. This amount, so, I don’t know what to say, I mean it’s very hard for an organisation to guard themselves from rotten apples like this troubled young man. And I am appalled. The simple type that he is, he is getting his way, his attention seeking characteristics, by actually getting a platform for his continued lies. So, I mean, what is the story here?

It’s just an interview with him.

Do you go around interviewing a lot people that are charged with embezzlement, theft, who are notorious liars, and...

You know, I personally am not the one who did the interview. It’s just my task to call people and follow up to see what their response is to what he said...

I’m not very pleased when you have this pathological attention seeker going around trying to get, you know, attention anywhere. And he is basically getting this, for what? As an organisation, we’re the party he damaged and that’s something that, in my mind, should be acknowledged. But if you’re giving him a platform with a good public warning that people should stay away from this person, I basically applaud you for doing that.

The more people who know the better. Are there any more specifics you want to run by me?

Yes, actually. We were hoping to ask Julian Assange for his response to Siggi, if you are able to transfer a question to him.


Everything is out in the open. It’s been discussed in detail in various media. I think Wired Magazine did quite a big one recently. The fact of the matter is that it’s not possible to trust any of the material that he has been trying to shop around, for example, to various media, because he’s a notorious forger and has forged the documents. That is basically known, and it has been exposed. I mean, I know of various media organisations that have just about almost made a fool of themselves when they were about to publish something, whether it was chat logs or documents that he mentioned. They just didn’t hold scrutiny when they took a better look. And I’m just telling you to, not to discredit him, but just a warning to you guys not to be another one bluffed by this guy. He is quite an amazing achiever when it comes to that.

We definitely heed your warning and understand that. I’ve read the Wired article. It’s quite interesting. So, would it be possible—would Julian be interested in making a comment?

Jesus Christ, I can assure you that he is not going to be interested in that.

That’s completely understandable.

If you are following the current affairs we are at this moment trying to assist a man of truth. And trying to put behind us the man of lies we had to have among us for a short period of time.

Yes.

You understand that.

Yes.

Well if you want an Icelandic angle to a WikiLeaks story, for heaven’s sake, try to write a critical piece about why Edward Snowden is not in Reykjavik at the moment with an Icelandic passport. I would be very interested in contributing to that.

Actually, that’s what I’ve done.

Ah, brilliant.

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Related:

Q - Sigurður Ingi Þórðarson's side of the story

Adrian Lamo vs. Siggi

Source: http://grapevine.is/Features/ReadArticle/Siggi-Disclaimer

Howard Bourne

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 15:26:54 PM »
Why wasn't Kristinn allowed to know about Siggis trip to Budapest with Assange's volunteer in June 2011 ?



Why has the embezzlement case been dropped ? ( see document below )




How did Siggi get Information like this ( see document below )




an unnamed souce confirmed that the 60.000$ was authorized by Assange as payment for expenses etc. True or false ?

A Long time before Kristinn blew the whistle on the missing Money on 09.22.2011 ( Chat log proof available ) , Assange knew that funds were being transfered to Siggi Account

enrica

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 15:47:54 PM »
This part of the interview is not true or misleading:

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What was Siggi’s role within WikiLeaks?

Well, his role within WikiLeaks was volunteer, as he has testified himself. Unless he’s lying about it, which he has done frequently on various different venues, calling himself a board member, a chief of staff, what have you. His role was basically as a volunteer. Around the fall of 2010, he took part in moderating the open chat forum. And then when one of the supporters approached him on that forum with the idea of raising money for WikiLeaks through online sales of t-shirts and coffee mugs and things of that nature. He was tasked to oversee the project, which resulted in him stealing or embezzling—whatever words you would use for it—around $50,000, which was the proceeds from the sales.

a) "... his role within WikiLeaks was volunteer"

Obviously: they are ALL volunteers except 3 persons: Julian Assange, Kristinn Hrafnsson, Sarah Harrison.
ALL the other persons offering their work and money to the organization are considered volunteers.

Said this, the role(S) Siggi had were many...

b) "... His role was basically as a volunteer. Around the fall of 2010, he took part in moderating the open chat forum... "

NO Siggi role was also ADMIN (not moderator, but Admin with reputation 100 since the beginning) of this forum when it was created in 2011, co-founder.
This part of the interview is really not clear and not truthful.

Siggi, for us he was "admin Q" till he left WL, was:

- running the WikiLeaks Official Facebook page and co-creator of other fb pages (I'm directly informed of this by other ex-fb volunteers)

- answearing Q&A for WikiLeaks, in direct contact with wikileaks in the now deleted "Q&A board" of this forum (I have seen this)

- Siggi here in this forum sometimes acted deleting boards or accounts, according to him with direct WL order (so, lied or not, he had a mega-important role)

- when I was still moderator here I was informed by other admins that Siggi/Q was "near Kristinn & Julian", so, again, this "volunteer" was not exactly the last one of the serie

- Q had reputation 100 while the ex-legal admin of this WikiLeaks forum had only 0 at the beginning of this forum...
I was just member so, when I was this "special admin", I thought "he can only be WL staffer"...
So for how he was volunteer he was NOT a whatever volunteer.

c) " ...And then when one of the supporters approached him on that forum with the idea of raising money for WikiLeaks through online sales of t-shirts and coffee mugs and things of that nature. He was tasked to oversee the project, which resulted in him stealing or embezzling—whatever words you would use for it—around $50,000, which was the proceeds from the sales. "

Though I haven't directly seen this, I'm informed that Julian Assange instead authorized Siggi taking the money for his own expenses and Kristinn was not informed of this.
This is a very "hot topic"
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 15:49:38 PM by isis »

TrxiZ

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 16:19:09 PM »
By all that pro assange stuff from kristinn (kristinn has the balls for answering questions hat up!) for sure he will not comment because he never comments on anything ask critical...

I miss the part where assange was lying about the forum and forum members get personally attacked by assange-groupies..

I miss the FACTS well some. I can tell you and i dont care if u take notice or still think im someone else.

I joined that forum one half years ago ( even wikileaks should notice on gifiles) and never any viruses where spread or people infected. we did what we could do i was just new at all that stuff.

than some big bang was going around and wikileaks lied against the forum and our work. i wanted to leave first ( another reason that was) until today people lie about the forum because retweeted by wikileaks assange...so if siggi is a liar what is up with wikileaks?

i dont care abt siggi or lamo that was before my time. but i care about thw forum and my frienda here. so calling others liars but the number one in wikileaks allways tells the truth?

I dont believe all sides.

btw there is a lot more we amd I can tell inklusive the big bank mysterie abt mee ;)

need brainz now

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 17:37:04 PM »
    Once again, a once member of the small exclusive  WikiLeaks staff has become estranged and outcast and attacked by Julian Assange and the remaining WikiLeaks staff. This story repeats itself over and over again.

    I won't pretend to know any of the particulars pertaining to this story, but I would like to comment on something I find strange.

      Why is this 50 or 60 thousand dollars of such huge importance, when no one really knows if whether the millions of dollars in donations that supporters have given in hopes to promote WikiLeaks operations have actually gone to the operation of the organization or to Julian Assange's defense legal fees. I know that there was a separate Julian Assange Legal Defense Fund but I seriously doubt it gathered as much donations as the WikiLeaks operational fund.

     I just do not know for sure and by the facts given in the above case scenario, I am not sure I could trust the word of the remaining exclusive WikiLeaks staff. Obviously there is so much inconsistencies and convoluted facts in this whole WikiLeaks saga, who knows what is going on.

     Judging by what I have personally experienced from the attacks on this forum by hard core Assange fans and Assange himself, and by what I know personally about the forum itself, I will never trust anything from them again. What ever short term advantage or pleasure they gained in their self righteous and self serving actions will only be a loss in wider support by the less than hard core Assange fan in the long term. The actions of the hard core Assange fans are an exclusion rather than an inclusion type, meaning they repel more people than they attract.   
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 17:41:28 PM by Riney »
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TrxiZ

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 18:01:07 PM »
big bang not banks b4 the rest is comin sorry on pbone expect TYPOS.

have we become wikiLies so far?
poor snowden..

this is not kristinn speaking sounds like more Js words..

cant see that at the moment where is wikileaks???. im sure we can proof it with "CHATLOGS" some lies ... if kristinn is talking abt that so far twinkle twinkle ;)

the ususals will again start attacking us well some may have seen their invasion comin from embassey to france..

enrica

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Re: Sigurdur Thordarson was interviewed by the Reykjavik Grapevine...
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 11:08:26 AM »
I am reflecting that Kristinn is "wikileaks SpokesPerson" so he can only talk for WikiLeaks.

I'm not sure if this interview is what he really thinks or he must say for WikiLeaks, honestly.

Anyway I'm sorry but I didn't like this interview at all.

@Riney yes
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Once again, a once member of the small exclusive  WikiLeaks staff has become estranged and outcast and attacked by Julian Assange and the remaining WikiLeaks staff. This story repeats itself over and over again. 


The problem is they are ALL volunteers, even Sarah Harrison is a volunteer!
The only two ppl representing WikiLeaks are Julian and Kristinn.
Whoeverelse, no matter how much this person has done for the organization or inside it, is considered a volunteer.

I'm here since almost the beginning (as member I joined ... if I well remember 1-2 months after the creation because the WikiLeaks facebook page was publicizing the forum).

* sorrry for the quality of the pics: they are my own screenshots made via telephone and the secure source I have to proove what I say*




After the forum was publicized also on twitter that is the WikiLeaks Official account:



Q was an admin.
Q was the higher reputation admin even before the ex-legal owner that at that time was named "admin".
Ex-admin Q was with us, in direct contact with Julian Assange and Kristinn Hrafnsson.
When after I became mod here, I perfectly remember other admins telling me Q was "a strange bird" near to Kristinn/Julian, though they didn't tell me more than that in 2011; I discovered more after.

Q was running the WikiLeaks facebook page, that was not attached to twitter at that time.
Again I learned this from other ex fb volunteers that used to run other fb pages, while cooperating.
So only WikiLeaks twitter was really "official", while WikiLeaks fb was run by volunteers. But we can all imagine the role of a volunteer that runs a WikiLeaks page on fb percived like "official" by everybody cannot be "the last one arrived"

Q was also answearing for WikiLeaks in the Q&A board of this forum, after deleted with other boards because WikiLeaks didn't like the boards.
I'm sorry at that time I was just member and after moderator, so I could never imagine WikiLeaks would have ordered to delete whole boards included the Q&A and the old "Paranoid city", so I never took screenshots of those boards, but I have screenshotted the facebook announcement of the Q&A board on fb, so at least WikiLeaks cannot coverup that it ever existed:



All of this was announced as "Official" though the WikiLeaks supporters page at that time stated that the Forum was run by volunteers and the content may not have coincided with the wikileaks general opinions; it also states that nobody except from Julian Assange and Kristinn can call him/herself WL staff member: well, this is the Truth: NOBODY except from them and now Sarah Harrison IS WL staff member; all the other douzens of people diligenlty serving WL and supporting it without seeing a "cent" from their job are Only Volunteers. So was Siggi. He "lied" about the "chief of the staff" role but because all the staff was just volunteers, including himself.



Full WikiLeaks supporters page [old version 2012]: