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Greenwald Tears Into Toobin Over Manning, Snowden....
« on: July 31, 2013, 12:51:25 PM »
Greenwald Tears Into Toobin Over Manning, Snowden: You’re Calling For ‘End Of Investigative Journalism’

by Josh Feldman | 9:03 pm, July 30th, 2013



Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald faced off against CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin over the sentencing of ex-Army private Bradley Manning and his acquittal on the charge of “aiding the enemy.” Greenwald pushed back on Toobin’s assertions that there are ways to expose government secrets without doing what Manning (or for that matter, Edward Snowden) did, charging that Toobin and other people who supposedly love transparency find every excuse they can to attack whistleblowers.


Toobin admitted that the aiding the enemy charge was “excessive,” but found Manning’s actions “appalling” and said he definitely deserves jail time. Greenwald took Toobin’s remarks to call out something he said people don’t like about Washington: “If you’re sufficiently rish and powerful and well-connected in Washington, the laws don’t apply to you.” Greenwald allowed that there should be “limited rights to secrecy,” but then dismissed the idea since it’s “so wildly abused” to begin with. He found it remarkable that anyone who calls themselves a journalist would be calling for the prosecution and imprisonment for someone who helped expose government secrets.

Greenwald brought up Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and people who exposed Bush administration scandals, telling Toobin that if he’s going to make all these assertions about what whistleblowers shouldn’t do, “you’re essentially calling for the end of investigative journalism.”

Toobin immediately shot back, “I appreciate your education to me of what journalism is.” before dismissing the Ellsberg comparison. He claimed that unlike Ellsberg exposing the Pentagon Papers that he wrote, Manning released tons of cables that “he didn’t even read, much less write.”

Greenwald went after Toobin for his seeming support of transparency with a number of serious qualifiers attached to it, and connected Toobin’s criticisms of Manning and Ellsberg to what he’s said previously about Snowden.

“If what Jeff is saying is true, which is ‘My problem with Bradley Manning is he didn’t read the documents, unlike Daniel Ellsberg,’ he should be praising Edward Snowden, yet he isn’t. He’s a harsh critic of Snowden. It seems like people always contrive excuses to attack anybody who brings transparency to the government unless they’re powerful officials in Washington, in which case it’s okay.”
Toobin rolled his eyes and said it’s false to think Manning and Snowden are the only ones decent enough to disclose all this important information.

Watch the video below, via CNN:

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the link: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greenwald-tears-into-toobin-over-manning-snowden-youre-calling-for-end-of-investigative-journalism/
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Re: Greenwald Tears Into Toobin Over Manning, Snowden....
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 13:58:41 PM »

    I watched this debate when it first aired last evening. It was intense to say the least. There could not have been two more separate opinions on the role of whistle blowers. 

    I do not agree with Toobin that Manning did not bother reading the material he leaked. Bradley Manning was an intelligence analyst, that was his job and he spent hours on the job reading not only the material he leaked, but also tons of other material that he did not end up leaking. I think there is a portrayal that Manning leaked absolutely everything he could get his hands on, I don't agree with that. He had access to tons more material than he leaked.

   I also do not agree with Toobin's ongoing opinion that Washington has very good ways of fighting government corruption built into it's system. It is apparent that corruption and abuse of power in government goes on. He once commented in an interview about Snowden that Snowden did not have to leak this information on his own illegally, that there were a least a couple senators that fight avidly against mass government surveillance and all he had to do was take his concerns to them. I do not agree. The forces that are pro government surveillance are too over whelming for just two senators and they would not listen to Snowden anyway.

   Glenn Greenwald always surprises me with his come backs. He is a man with a mission. I have to ask how though will any whistle blower change things completely. I think the effects of leaks by Manning and Snowden will be felt for many years to come, but the only true change I see so far is they set a precedent in motion that we are watching the government too, essentially making the government more paranoid. But will that cause them to correct their ways and become less corrupt?

   Michael Hayden once commented that anyone involved in keeping government secrets knew that eventually leaks would occur. The magnitude of the amount of secrets being kept was constantly growing and post 9/11 policies of sharing were pushing the secrets through all branches of government instead of keeping it tucked away into one place. 

   So even though Manning leaked the information, will the government then start becoming less corrupt, or will the just react by tightening down the controls on the secrets like they had it before? I am not sure.     
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