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Howard Bourne

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Never mind the FBI, Assange is the Forums biggest troll
« on: December 09, 2013, 22:49:34 PM »
Recent developments have prompted the WikiLeaks Forum to respond to rumors that it " harvests " e mail accounts. It is no secret that all forum members require a username and e mail account to be able to register a new account on the forum.
It is also no secret that Julian Assange tried to gain a copy of ALL 15.000 + forum members email addresses.
We informed Assange that is "illegal to forward e mail to 3rd parties if not specifically granted by the user at registration" and refused to hand out the data.


Here is the unedited chat between WikiLeaks and the Forum which took place on 28.11.2012.
To protect the identity of the WikiLeaks source, we have edited out the full Jabber name of the individual we were communicating with
 
As both used @jabber.ccc.de we have marked the communication as follows:

@jabber.ccc.de -> wikileaks

FORUM -> WikiLeaks Forum administrator

(8:16:26 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: ping
(8:16:33 PM) FORUM: pong
(8:16:48 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: wondered how you were doing with that email list
(8:17:08 PM) FORUM: will be no problem.....just need to know exactly what u would like to have

(8:17:34 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: list of all the user emails. could be csv or whatever is easy for you
(8:17:34 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: thanks
(8:17:50 PM) FORUM:all 15.000 members e mails ?
(8:18:45 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: yes, opls
(8:18:47 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: *pls
(8:18:53 PM) FORUM: hmm
(8:19:01 PM) FORUM: one question:
(8:20:00 PM) FORUM: I wondering what 15.000 members would do to me if I passed their e mail addresses on without their knowledge

(8:20:59 PM) FORUM: please advise ;-)
(8:21:16 PM) FORUM: I would also like to know for what purpose if possible

(8:22:40 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: the perception of all these people is that WLForum is run by WL so they wont object. To be honest, its prob the only reason they felt safe doing so in the first place. As far as they are concerned we all ready have the email address. We will send them FoWL invite.

(8:23:06 PM) FORUM: ahhh...ok

(8:24:18 PM) FORUM: but how do these poeple think the WikiLeaks forum is run by WikiLeaks when you own website states the forum is run by supporters ---> " Supporters run our irc channel, Facebook site, and the WikiLeaks Forum. Whilst we appreciate their work we can not vouch for their security or content. No official WikiLeaks comment will be given over these channels. "

(8:24:30 PM) FORUM: http://wikileaks.org/Supporters.html

(8:24:18 PM) FORUM: but how do these people think the WikiLeaks forum is run by WikiLeaks when you own website states the forum is run by supporters ---> " Supporters run our irc channel, Facebook site, and the WikiLeaks Forum. Whilst we appreciate their work we can not vouch for their security or content. No official WikiLeaks comment will be given over these channels. "

(9:34:39 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: we all know this
(9:34:43 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: but most people dont read this
(9:34:44 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: as we have seen
(9:37:59 PM) FORUM: okay.....but what if they do ?
(9:38:20 PM) FORUM: then I will be crucified :-(

(9:39:46 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: you could email them all first and ask if they mind.
(9:40:20 PM) FORUM: Well I could create a forum post and tweet it
(9:42:04 PM) FORUM: 15.000 e mail addresses
(9:42:35 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: no, dont do that
(9:42:37 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: jsut eamil them
(9:42:43 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: dont create a forum post
(9:42:49 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: then you dont know who's reading it


(9:46:40 PM) FORUM: lol...Im trying to imagine how fast the forums mail server will be flagged as a spam account after sending out 15.000 e mails. We do have the option to send ALL members e mail via the forums mail server account but even then....we would have to read and respond to 15.000 e mails

(9:48:20 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: just say you can not respond individually, but you will take out of the list anyone who does not want their email passed to us
(9:48:45 PM) FORUM: and this you need to invite people to FoWL ?
(9:57:44 PM) FORUM: The only way aruond it would be if you made a statement declaring that WL is co owner of the forum. This way no one would have to risk anything

(9:59:58 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: that's ridiculous and basically just seems to say you dont want to do this for some odd reason. there is a huge lump to us having a copy of those emails and doing that

(10:02:16 PM) FORUM: I know its ridiculous but even more ridiculous to remark that I dont want to do this for some " odd reason ". The odd reason is that I would be breaking the law giving 15.000 e mail addresses away

(10:02:29 PM) FORUM: what do you mean by a " huge lump " ?
(10:03:03 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: *jump
(10:06:34 PM) FORUM: okay.....how about me sending ALL 15.000 members an invite to join FoWL ?. Isn't this why you want the e mail addresses ?

(10:07:28 PM) FORUM: wouldnt this be a fair idea ?
(10:12:54 PM) FORUM: if you want, you can write the invite and I will send it to every member on the forum ...
(10:14:45 PM) FORUM: i will see if such a thing is possible.
(10:15:26 PM) FORUM: sure,,, I mean...if you only want to invite them to FoWL then why not do it with me NOT in jail for breaking the law ;-)

(10:29:31 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: what bit makes you think you would be breaking the law? what are forum terms and conditions?
(10:30:55 PM) FORUM:the forum is hosted in XXXXXX. It is illegal to forward e mail to 3rd parties if not specifically granted by the user at registration
(10:31:06 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: k
(10:31:27 PM) FORUM: I cant forward IP addresses, location or e mail addresses without prior permission from user

(10:32:11 PM) @jabber.ccc.de: understood

(10:34:27 PM) FORUM: providing you just want to invite the members to join FoWL, the easiest way around this would be to invite them and we would send ALL 15.000 members the invite via email from the Forum

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also see http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rpieru

 
Assanges reaction was Swift but had little or no effect on the forum
On January 10th 2013, one of Assanges sock puppet twitter accounts @marthagroup ( then @StjarnaFranfall ) tweeted the following:
 
Stjärna Frånfälle @StjarnaFranfall
WARNING: Pseudo #WikiLeaks site:
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com Attempts to INFECT visitors with SPYWARE. DO NOT ENTER. #Assange #FreeBrad #Manning

No proof or evidence was provided to back up the claim and the message was instantly tweeted by Assange himself; again without asking for any evidence. These accusations were immediately challenged by the forum and it was proven that the allegations were nothing but a feeble attempt to smear the forum.

The owner of the forum reported on this incident on his blog http://www.karmicsangoma.co.za/2013/01/does-wikileaks-forumcom-spam-spyware.html

The above smear attempt had no effect and so a second attempt was launched to slander the forum. A fake email was sent to a handful forum members from the now defunct "FoWl" ( wlfriends.org ) "warning" them not to use the forum. This too had no effect on the forum, no members were lost and the forum remains online.
Attacks on other Wikileaks communities is nothing new to Assange. A few months back he attacked Australia's largest WikiLeaks community " akaWACA " and branded them a " front " and not " endorsed " by WikiLeaks.

The WikiLeaks Forum doesn't require any form of endorsement by Julian Assange to exist.It isn't a requirement nor is it needed
The fact remains, it was Julian Assange that tried to harvest e mail accounts from the Forum and it was Julian Assange that is still harvesting email accounts from http://www.wlfriends.org which has been offline for the past 3 months. Needless to say, anyone who registered an account at wlfriends.org should be asking the question what happened to their IP's and email addresses.

If being smeared by Julian Assange is the price the forum has to pay for protecting its members, then so be it. Like many other disappointed Wikileaks supporters, we regret Assanges decision to treat WikiLeaks supporters this way

The Forum will continue to follow its objective which lies embedded within our Mission Statement
 
The WikiLeaks Supporters Forum




PS... on the subject of killing support, watch Assange slap his most loyal supporters in the face ( we are speechless )

Tweet Link: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/409490267066990592