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Did Putin or Obama Say ‘We Don’t Have a Domestic Spying Program’?


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The Russian president uses similar logic and words that the American president does when justifying mass surveillance.

04.17.14


“We don’t have a domestic spying program.”

Who said it, Vladimir Putin or Barack Obama?

Obama did, of course, but you could be forgiven for thinking it was Putin. On Thursday, Putin told his guest Edward Snowden that Russia does not spy on all its citizens—only individuals after a court order.

Putin: “Russia uses surveillance techniques for spying on individuals only with the sanction of a court order. This is our law, and therefore there is no mass surveillance in our country.”

Obama: “We put in some additional safeguards to make sure that there’s federal court oversight as well as congressional oversight, that there is no spying on Americans.  … We don’t have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat.”

Both men have tried to redefine mass surveillance in the narrowest way possible. Both want you to believe that the National Security Agency or Federal Security Service’s bulk collection of data—data that can reveal a person’s location, history, and even thoughts—is not mass surveillance just because a human being is not looking at it.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper used the same defense last year when Senator Ron Wyden asked him: “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?”

“No, sir… not wittingly,” Clapper said, later adding: “What I said was, the NSA does not voyeuristically pore through U.S. citizens’ emails. I stand by that.”

When the president of the United States and his spymaster sound like Putin, it might be time to rethink things.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/04/17/snowden-asks-putin-do-you-spy.html


Snowden Asks Putin: Do You Spy?


Edward Snowden has jumped the shark. In a Thursday interview with Moscow-run television station Russia Today, Snowden asked Vladimir Putin: "Does Russia intercept, store, or analyze—in any way—the communications of individuals?" Snowden has lived in Moscow for nearly a year since he leaked information from the National Security Agency. Putin responded: “Russia uses surveillance techniques for spying on individuals only with the sanction of a court order. This is our law, and therefore there is no mass surveillance in our country.” Watch the entire exchange below.

Read it at RT

April 17, 2014 7:42 AM

http://youtu.be/w1yH554emkY

http://rt.com/news/snowden-putin-spy-online-140/

Russia has “no mass surveillance in our country,” according to President Vladimir Putin, after he was asked a surprise question by whistleblower Edward Snowden at his Q&A session, adding “our surveillance activities are strictly controlled by the law.”

The former US National Security Agency contractor was interested to know Putin’s view as to whether there was any mass surveillance in Russia. The 30-year-old American mentioned that “two separate White House investigations, as well as a [US] federal court, all concluded that these programs are ineffective in stopping terrorism” in America and if, “Russia intercepts stores or analyzes the communications of millions of people in any way.”

Putin revealed that Russia uses surveillance techniques for spying on individuals, but this is “only with the sanction of a court order.” He added that “this is our law and therefore there is no mass surveillance in our country.”

There was plenty of joking by Putin, who began his answer to Snowden by saying, “You are a former agent or spy. I used to work for an intelligence agency, so we are going to talk the same professional language.” He concluded by adding with a smile that he hopes that Russia will never have the same kind of uncontrollable surveillance as America and this is unlikely to happen as “Russia does not have as much money to spend on this as they do in the States.”

Edward Snowden, who has been scathing about the use of mass surveillance by the US government, was appearing via a video link from an undisclosed location in Russia. He helped detail how the NSA managed to spy on the lives of millions of Americans as well as world leaders, despite almost all of them being individuals who have never been suspected of any wrongdoing or criminal activity.

The US citizen has been living in Russia since being granted temporary asylum in August 2013, after fleeing his homeland and then Hong Kong after leaking huge numbers of sensitive documents.

GOD FORBID THE LIGHTS GO OUT and a zillion brains have to be retrained to function in manual reality.

Does anyone else get the idea that the tweets on the WL account are starting to sound a little like someone is bathing in a bird bath, eating bird food & possibly smoking bird * in his own sphere??