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Offline jujyjuji

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Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables
« on: August 25, 2014, 12:16:33 PM »
Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables

Released on 2013-11-15 00:00 GMT
Email-ID    1035446
Date    2010-12-02 19:48:12
From    [email protected]
To    [email protected], [email protected]

---

Nothing found when I click on the link.

Kevin Stech wrote:
> Was it this one?
>
> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/05TELA
> VIV1580.html
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>>
> [mailto:[email protected]] On
>
>> Behalf Of Fred Burton
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:33
>> To: Analyst List
>> Subject: Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables
>>
>>
>> New response from Wiki server on a Mossad cable/briefing I pulled up
>> on Day one..
>>
>>
>>
>> not found, overloaded or other issues ...
>>
>> We are sorry but we cannot answer your request at the moment.
>>
>> This may be any kind of error.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reva Bhalla wrote:
>>
>>> ive only gone through a couple of them,b ut these dont even seem that
>>> sensitive to warrant a disappearing act On Dec 2, 2010, at 11:59 AM,
>>> Karen Hooper wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good eye, Kevin. Also, for each of them that i pulled up, Google has
>>>> a cached copy available to load.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/2/10 12:56 PM, Kevin Stech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By continuously mirroring the Cablegate website, it lets me do
>>>>> certain things like monitor the timestamps of the cables very
>>>>> closely. One anomaly this has turned up is a number of disappearing
>>>>> cables. I haven't tested each one yet, but I believe the following
>>>>> cables to have been removed from the Cablegate website. Check for
>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10ROME173.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10BAKU134.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10LONDON131.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/10/08RPODUBAI49.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/08/08MUSCAT565.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/12/08STATE134490.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/09ASHGABAT757.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/08/09KUWAIT760.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/04/09RPODUBAI177.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09ANKARA1594.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09BAGHDAD2992.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/01/09RIYADH181.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09BAGHDAD3195.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09DOHA728.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2006/04/06ABUDHABI1401.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/05TELAVIV1580.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/07STATE152317.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/07BAGHDAD3895.html
>>>>> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/01/07TELAVIV64.html
>>>>>
>>>>> You can view the backups of the original cables here.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/
>>>>> 10ROME173.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/
>>>>> 10STATE17263.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/
>>>>> 10BAKU134.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/
>>>>> 10LONDON131.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/10/
>>>>> 08RPODUBAI49.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/08/
>>>>> 08MUSCAT565.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/12/
>>>>> 08STATE134490.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/
>>>>> 09ASHGABAT757.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/08/
>>>>> 09KUWAIT760.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/04/
>>>>> 09RPODUBAI177.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/
>>>>> 09ANKARA1594.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/
>>>>> 09BAGHDAD2992.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/01/
>>>>> 09RIYADH181.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/
>>>>> 09BAGHDAD3195.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/
>>>>> 09DOHA728.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2006/04/
>>>>> 06ABUDHABI1401.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/
>>>>> 05TELAVIV1580.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/
>>>>> 07STATE152317.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/
>>>>> 07BAGHDAD3895.html
>>>>> https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/01/
>>>>> 07TELAVIV64.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Stech
>>>>> Research Director | STRATFOR
>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>> +1 (512) 744-4086
>>>>>
>>>>>

Source/Original link: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=1035446

Offline jujyjuji

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Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 12:41:10 PM »
RE: [Fwd: Re: [TACTICAL] Thought--Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearingcables]

Released on 2013-11-15 00:00 GMT
Email-ID 1035512
Date 2010-12-02 22:58:30
From
To [email protected], [email protected]

---

We were never making these available to anyone. I was mirroring them on a
server we host that just happened to be publicly accessible, but was not
advertised or otherwise broadcast to anyone anywhere.

The server logs indicate only STRATFOR employees accessed the information,
though admittedly I cannot be 100% certain.

The wikileaks information is still on the publicly accessible server, but
it is now behind an authenticated area, reachable only using a password.

I don't anticipate any problems at all with this.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Burton [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 15:50
> To: Rodger Baker; Kevin Stech
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [TACTICAL] Thought--Re: wikileaks cablegate -
> disappearingcables]
>
> FYI
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [TACTICAL] Thought--Re: wikileaks cablegate -
> disappearingcables
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 19:44:06 +0000
> From: Stephen M. Feldhaus <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: Fred Burton <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> CC: Mr. George Friedman <[email protected]>
> References:
>
<[email protected]><[email protected]
> com><91BAC3A3-6793-4E91-BA61-
> [email protected]><[email protected]><0a9a01cb9250$
> [email protected]><[email protected]><0ab301cb
> [email protected]><[email protected]>
>
>
>
>
> Just got out of a meeting and saw this. We definitely should not be
making these
> available to the public, or to our subscribers. I am not worried about
our maintaining
> a database of the documents for our own use.
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Burton <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:53:40
> To: Tactical<[email protected]>
> Cc: 'Sean Noonan'<[email protected]>; Feldhaus,
> Stephen<[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [TACTICAL] Thought--Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing
> cables
>
> Steve - Thoughts? Thanks
>
> Kevin Stech wrote:
> >
> > If there are real legal concerns I can throw a password on it
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Sean Noonan [mailto:[email protected]]
> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:46
> > *To:* Kevin Stech; Tactical
> > *Subject:* Thought--Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables
> >
> >
> >
> > Is the research website that hosts a copy of these cables public?
> > Could we get in trouble for storing classified information?
> >
> > I don't mean to be nitpicky, and you guys may have already addressed
> > this, but I wanted to double check just in case.
> >
> > It seems like no one will be charged with that--and sooo many other
> > people are hosting it---but that doesn't make it legal either.
> >
> > On 12/2/10 12:37 PM, Kevin Stech wrote:
> >
> > Was it this one?
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/05
> > TELA
> > VIV1580.html
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>
> >
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On
> >
> > Behalf Of Fred Burton
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:33
> >
> > To: Analyst List
> >
> > Subject: Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > New response from Wiki server on a Mossad cable/briefing I
> > pulled up
> >
> > on Day one..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > not found, overloaded or other issues ...
> >
> >
> >
> > We are sorry but we cannot answer your request at the moment.
> >
> >
> >
> > This may be any kind of error.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Reva Bhalla wrote:
> >
> > ive only gone through a couple of them,b ut these dont even
> > seem that
> >
> > sensitive to warrant a disappearing act On Dec 2, 2010, at
> > 11:59 AM,
> >
> > Karen Hooper wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Good eye, Kevin. Also, for each of them that i pulled up,
> > Google has
> >
> > a cached copy available to load.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/2/10 12:56 PM, Kevin Stech wrote:
> >
> > By continuously mirroring the Cablegate website, it
> > lets me do
> >
> > certain things like monitor the timestamps of the
> > cables very
> >
> > closely. One anomaly this has turned up is a number of
> > disappearing
> >
> > cables. I haven't tested each one yet, but I believe
> > the following
> >
> > cables to have been removed from the Cablegate
> > website. Check for
> >
> > yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10ROME173.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10BAKU134.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10LONDON131.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/10/08RPODUBAI49.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/08/08MUSCAT565.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/12/08STATE134490.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/09ASHGABAT757.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/08/09KUWAIT760.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/04/09RPODUBAI177.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09ANKARA1594.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09BAGHDAD2992.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/01/09RIYADH181.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09BAGHDAD3195.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09DOHA728.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2006/04/06ABUDHABI1401.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/05TELAVIV1580.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/07STATE152317.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/07BAGHDAD3895.html
> >
> >
> > http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/01/07TELAVIV64.html
> >
> >
> >
> > You can view the backups of the original cables here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/
> >
> > 10ROME173.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/
> >
> > 10STATE17263.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/
> >
> > 10BAKU134.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/
> >
> > 10LONDON131.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/10/
> >
> > 08RPODUBAI49.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/08/
> >
> > 08MUSCAT565.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/12/
> >
> > 08STATE134490.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/
> >
> > 09ASHGABAT757.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/08/
> >
> > 09KUWAIT760.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/04/
> >
> > 09RPODUBAI177.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/
> >
> > 09ANKARA1594.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/
> >
> > 09BAGHDAD2992.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/01/
> >
> > 09RIYADH181.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/
> >
> > 09BAGHDAD3195.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/
> >
> > 09DOHA728.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2006/04/
> >
> > 06ABUDHABI1401.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/
> >
> > 05TELAVIV1580.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/
> >
> > 07STATE152317.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/11/
> >
> > 07BAGHDAD3895.html
> >
> >
> > https://research.stratfor.com/cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2007/01/
> >
> > 07TELAVIV64.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin Stech
> >
> > Research Director | STRATFOR
> >
> > [email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
> >
> > +1 (512) 744-4086
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sean Noonan
> >
> > Tactical Analyst
> >
> > Office: +1 512-279-9479
> >
> > Mobile: +1 512-758-5967
> >
> > Strategic Forecasting, Inc.
> >
> > www.stratfor.com <http://www.stratfor.com>
> >

Source/Original link: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=1035512

Offline jujyjuji

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Re: wikileaks cablegate - disappearing cables
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 12:56:05 PM »
This is how the over mentioned "redact" cable on Mossad appears now.
The subject is "Foreign Fighters leaving Iraq": I think a document of extreme importance.

---

This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.

S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 TEL AVIV 001580
 
SIPDIS
 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/15/2010
TAGS: PGOV PREL KWBG IR IS COUNTERTERRORISM GOI EXTERNAL
SUBJECT: MOSSAD CHIEF TO CODEL CORZINE: SOME FOREIGN
FIGHTERS BEGINNING TO LEAVE IRAQ
 
Classified By: Pol/C Ambassador Daniel C. Kurtzer for reasons 1.4(b) an
d (d).
 
¶1.  (S)  Summary: Mossad Chief Meir Dagan told CODEL Corzine
March 13 that Israeli and U.S. thinking on Iran largely
tracks, adding that he believes the EU dialogue with Iran
will ultimately fail.  Dagan said that Israel has evidence
that some foreign fighters have returned home from Iraq,
perhaps indicating that the tide may be starting to turn in
the U.S. battle against the insurgency there.  He worried
however, that these militants' countries of origin -- in
particular Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Sudan -- are
ill-equipped to control the returning jihadis, who might then
pose a threat to stability in the region and, ultimately, to
Israel.  End Summary.
 
----
Iran
----
 
¶2.  (C) Senator Jon Corzine, accompanied by Senate staff
member Evan Gottesman, the Ambassador, Pol/Res and Poloff
(notetaker), met with Mossad Chief Meir Dagan March 13.
Acknowledging that there are at times differences in analysis
of the facts, Dagan stressed that it is similarities rather
than differences that are at the heart of the GOI-U.S.
intelligence relationship, particularly on Iran.  The facts
themselves are not in dispute, Dagan continued, adding that
the U.S. and Israeli assessments of Iran's intentions and
plans are largely in accord.  Iran has decided to go nuclear,
Dagan said, and nothing will stop it.  Dagan predicted that
the EU dialogue with Iran will not succeed and that the issue
of Iran's nuclear ambitions would eventually go to the UN
Security Council.
 
-------------------------------------
Iraq - Foreign Fighters Heading Home?
-------------------------------------
 
¶3.  (S) In response to the Senator's question, Dagan said
that the tide may be starting to turn in Iraq with regard to
foreign militant activity.  Dagan said Israel has evidence
that foreign fighters originating from Tajikistan,
Uzbekistan, Syria and Yemen have arrived back in their home
countries, and he assumes that some had returned to Saudi
Arabia as well.  Dagan predicted that, as with men who fought
in Afghanistan during the 80's and 90's, these returning
militants would stay in touch with each other, forming a
network based on their common experiences in Iraq.
 
¶4.  (S) Stressing that Israel has no assets in Iraq other
than a friendly relationship with the Kurds, Dagan said that
Israel's interest is more in the impact the jihadis from, for
example, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, will have once they return
to their countries of origin.  Although he predicts Egypt and
Jordan will "do all right," Dagan said he is less confident
that governments in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, and Sudan
are sufficiently well-equipped to face down the domestic
challenge these returning militants will pose.  The
combination of their military training and the absence of
strong governments willing and able to confront these men
could have a devastating impact on Israel by causing chaos in
their home countries, he added.  Dagan predicted that these
jihadis will have less of a direct impact on Palestinians,
because Palestinians are already well aware of militant views
and opinions via Internet chat rooms.  Furthermore, Dagan
said he feels that most Palestinians are not searching for
"foreign flags," such as al-Qaeda, under which to rally,
because those inclined to do so are already being
well-mobilized under existing groups in the West Bank and
Gaza.
-------
Lebanon
-------
 
¶5.  (C) Dagan opined that Hizballah will never make the
transition to a purely political party in Lebanon, since the
organization remains very dependent on its jihadi
orientation.  Noting that even the recent
Hizaballah-sponsored march in Beirut has not deterred the
Lebanese from pressing for a full Syrian withdrawal, Dagan
advised the U.S. to remain firm in its demand for a complete
pullout, and attributed the willingness of the Lebanese
people to rise up to U.S. action in Iraq.
 
--------------------------------------------- -------------
Essential to Use All Assets in the Fight Against Terrorism
--------------------------------------------- -------------
 
¶6.  (C) Dagan said it is essential to combine all types of
intelligence assets, rather than relying exclusively on human
intelligence or signal intercepts, to counter terrorist
threats.  Terrorist organizations have been seeking to obtain
WMD as a matter of course and, unlike countries that wish to
acquire these weapons as a deterrent, non-state actors would
be more inclined to actually use them, in Dagan's opinion.
Asked about the relationship between illicit activities such
as narcotic or arms trafficking and terrorism, Dagan
confirmed that terrorist organizations try to fund their
activities by criminal means, adding that credit card fraud
and counterfeiting are also methods favored by these groups.
Weapons originating from Yemen and Sudan are smuggled into
the territories through Egypt for sale, as well as for use by
militants, Dagan said.
 
¶7.  (U) CODEL Corzine did not have an opportunity to clear
this message.
 
********************************************* ********************
Visit Embassy Tel Aviv's Classified Website:
http://www.state.sgov.gov/p/nea/telaviv
 
You can also access this site through the State Department's
Classified SIPRNET website.
********************************************* ********************
KURTZER

Source/Original: https://wikileaks.org/cable/2005/03/05TELAVIV1580.html