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Emails sent to Stefania Maurizi #1
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:17:47 AM »
Yesterday I translated an Italian article on this forum.

The site actually offers a good platform for freedom of information and press, my role is forum volunteer translator, and given the article was about ISIS using the logos of Anonymous, I found very interesting translating it from my main language (Ita) to English for more visibility.

http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/anonymous/491/has-anonymous-been-taken-by-surprise-by-isis-volunteer-translation/33276/new;topicseen#new

The author of the original post, Bruno Ballardini, thanked the forum site on twitter, and as a result @greekemmy started telling him the forum isn't reliable, together with other trollish persons.
I had no idea as I had blocked the main part of them; I realized it after because others made me notice what was happening.

Also WL cooperator journalist Stefania Maurizi has been involved in the conversation, and she (Again) has slated the forum site not reliable for these reasons:


@SMaurizi
(1/2) .@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia mi spiace,ma wikileaks-forum NON solo ha nulla a che vedere con #Wikileaks
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/572395996644319232

[Translation: (1/2) @brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia I'm sorry but wikileaks-forum NOT only has nothing to do with #Wikileaks ]

@SMaurizi
(2/2) .@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia ma proprio da "wikileaks-forum" partite accuse molto dubbie a #Wikileaks
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/572396453689233409

[(2/2) .@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia but exactly from "wikileaks-forum" very questionable accusations to #Wikileaks have been launched]

... for me it results a bit hard to translate all the Italian ways of saying, anyway this is the sense of what has been said on twitter...

@SMaurizi
.@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia sedicenti attivisti "wikileaks-forum"mi inviarono accuse deliranti #Wikileaks
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/572397484355534848

[.@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia self-styled "wikileaks-forum" activists sent me delirious accusations #Wikileaks]

@SMaurizi
.@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia si',sedicenti attivisti quel forum mi inviarono accuse folli contro #WikiLeaks
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/572398348608675840

[.@brunoballardini @l_napoleoni @gadlernertweet @wireditalia yes, self-styled activists of that forum had sent me foolish accusations against #Wikileaks]

Now, given that the self-styled activist is myself, and I had written to her privately in 2013 and prior, expressing my worries as a WL supporter disappointed by certain WL tweets and I was meaning to just discuss the issue with another supporter, trusting that she was a journalist and so she could have objectively commented about the issue without denying or exaggerating anything, and given she STILL in 2015 mentions those old emails when I'm not even admin of this site anymore hurting this site on one of its more positive sides (allowing press freedom), I've decided to publish what I sent her.

So, at least, when she talks about My emails in the public twitter, everybody knows what she's talking about.

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Let's premise that, before this forum criticized WL, in 2012, I had nice/normal email exchanges with Stefania, as activist, about her tweets that I reposted on the forum, about the cables, the Syria Files, supporting Julian Assange and similar stuff.

I told her who I was for credibility, though I don't think she ever believed I was telling her the truth on my name, re-reading the replies.

At that time I was cooperating with other volunteers to re-post the wikileaks cables on WL cablegate facebook and after on GIFiles facebook.
My nickname on the forum was "isis" (like the Goddess, not like the extremists... damn they have stolen even my nickname!); I was mod, and after I became admin.I was also posting in a support julian assange website also connected to this forum, dedicated to support Julian's rights using "jasmine" as nick. So I used to write with an email that included both these nicks as a WL supporter.

In november 2012 we had an emails exchange about cabledrummer, and what I've posted here: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16328.msg42618.html#msg42618 After they cleared the situation. I also explained what, in 2012, were the problems between cabledrummer and the forum and what was my opinion.
I was honestly worried he may have hurt also herself...

So far so good.
The "infamous accusations" coming from the "forum self-styled activist" aka myself started when @wikileaks decided to retweet a thing said by the account @StjarnaFranfall that was a Total Lie!

By:
@StjarnaFranfall
Retweeted By @wikileaks to 2m. followers:

WARNING: Pseudo #WikiLeaks site: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com Attempts to INFECT visitors with SPYWARE. DO NOT ENTER. #Assange #FreeBrad #Manning

At this point I decided to write Stefania about what was happening, exactly trusting the fact she was a journalist and a supportive one, so she may have investigated the issue with a certain objectivity, without smearing anybody, but considering the evident lie-tweet launched by @wikileaks and @StjarnaFranfall.

This 1st email was public stuff, so it could have been discussed by whoever, in private or public interactions.

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 Email I've sent on 11 jan 2013 after that infamous wikileaks' retweet:

[Italian original version]

tweets per diffamare il forum

 
 11/01/2013 A: Stefania Maurizi
 
 
Buongiorno Stefania... ciao.


Tu sei una giornalista che ha sempre scritto la verità e i fatti.
Dopo sei mesi di riflessioni perché la cosa si sta facendo grave ho deciso di contattare te per amor del vero.
Non importa se non mi crederai.


Credo tu sappia che la persona che dirige l'account twitter di WikiLeaks è Julian Assange, assieme a Sarah Harrison. Il terzo membro del team di wikileaks é Kristinn Hrafnsson. Non ci sono altri nel team a prendere decisioni. Solo loro 3. Assange ha l'ulima parola su tutto.


Bene, da un po' di mesi Julian ha voluto per forza legare la pagina facebook di WikiLeaks a twitter, solo lui ne decide il contenuto e ha impedto a tutti gli altri amministratori di postare, tranne per le donazioni, perché ha detto che serve 1 milione, non specificando per che cosa (le donazioni non vanno solo per i leaks, anche per costi legali e presumo per il partito politico di Julian)


Da allora la qualità e professionalità dei tweets / posts inoltre è Deteriorata in modo impressionante.
Noialtri sul forum - essendo un forum- abbiamo criticato alcuni dei tweets di WL perché razzisti contro tutta la Svezia o parziali.


Il forum è menzionato come comunità indipendente gestita da supporters da wikileaks stessa.


Ultimamente le cose sembravano essersi calmte invece ieri WikiLeaks ha ritwittato QUESTO! :


via : @StjarnaFranfall
 WARNING: Pseudo #WikiLeaks site: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com Attempts to INFECT visitors with SPYWARE. DO NOT ENTER. #Assange #FreeBrad #Manning



Questo tweet stabilisce delle falsità Enormi
1. perché il forum non è "pseudo" ma è un forum
2. perché non é assolutamente vero che c'erano dei virus sul forum e questo è stato Provato (segue il link dove io stessa ho postato tutti i fatti
3. perché Sjarna non era stata sul forum fin dal 4 gennaio e non aveva modo quindi in una settimana di ri-verificare le sue accuse
4. perché in ogni caso non si può biasimare un forum dandogli la colpa per eventuali (ASSENTI!) virus provenienti dall'esterno che non sono lì per volontà del forum stesso.


Questo tweet e ritweet da parte di Julian Assange (sappiamo che non è stata Sarah per via diretta) è GRAVISSIMO in quanto accusa il forum di avere attaccato dello spyware di proposito, cosa perseguibile dalla legge. E soprattutto è FALSO.


Qui tutte le spiegazioni e l'aperta discussione in merito: Does Wikileaks-Forum.com spam spyware? (NO spyware detected #Facts) http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16977.0.html Postato da me stessa (isis)


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Indagando un po' insieme è uscito fuori che forse (99%) Stjarna è Julian Assange stesso (ipotesi da prendere con le pinze) perché il forum ha argomenti scottanti postati su (se vuoi te li mando) critici di wikileaks
WL ha impiegato pochissimo a ritwittare e fidarsi di Stjarna e ha ripostato quell'accusa gravissima e falsa contro un forum menzionato su wl stessa Senza nemmeno Verificare se era reale (non lo è: leggi il mio post con le prove)


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[English translation]

tweets to defame the forum

11/jan/2013 To: Stefania Maurizi


Good Morning Stefania ... hello.

You are a journalist who has always written the truth and the facts.
After six months of reflection, because the thing is becoming serious, I have decided to contact you for the sake of truth.
It doesn't matter if you do not believe me.

I think you know the person who directs the WikiLeaks twitter account is Julian Assange, together with Sarah Harrison. The third wikileaks team member is Kristinn Hrafnsson. There are No others in the team to make decisions. Them 3 only. Assange has the last word on everything.

Well, since a few months Julian has wanted to link the WikiLeaks facebook page to twitter at all costs, only himself decides its content and he has prevented all the other admins to post, except from the posts for the donations, because he has said 1 million is needed, without specifying to do what (the donations aren't for the leaks only, but also for the legal costs and I presume for Julian's political party)

Since then, the quality and professionalism of tweets/posts has impressively deteriorated.
We on the forum -being this a forum- have criticized some WL tweets for being racist against all Sweden or partial.

The forum is mentioned as independent community run by supporters of Wikileaks itself.

Lately things seemed to have calmed down, instead on yesterday WikiLeaks has retweeted THIS! :


via : @StjarnaFranfall
 WARNING: Pseudo #WikiLeaks site: http://www.wikileaks-forum.com Attempts to INFECT visitors with SPYWARE. DO NOT ENTER. #Assange #FreeBrad #Manning



This tweet establishes Huge falsehoods:
1. because the forum is not "pseudo" but it's a forum
2. because it's absolutely Not true that there were viruses on the forum and this has been Proved (follow the link where I myself have posted all the facts
3. because Sjarna had not been on the forum since January 4, and so she had no possibility during the week, to re-check her accusations
4. because in any case you can't blame a forum, putting on it the blame for eventual (ABSENT!) viruses coming from outside that are not there by the will of the forum itself.

This tweet and retweet by Julian Assange (we know by direct way that Sarah didn't do it) is VERY SERIOUS since it accused the forum of voluntarily "having tacked" spyware, what punishable by law. And mainly this is FALSE.

Here are all the explanations and open discussion about: Does Wikileaks-Forum.com spam spyware? (NO spyware detected #Facts) http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16977.0.html Posted by myself (isis)

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 Investigating a little 'together it came out that maybe (99%) Stjarna is Julian Assange himself (hypotheses to be "taken with a pinch of salt" [it means very cautiously]) because the forum has hot topics posted on the site (if you want I can send them to you) critical of wikileaks.
 WL took very little time to retweet and trust Stjarna and has reposted that serious and false accusation against a forum mentioned on wl itself, Without even verifying if it was real (it is not: read my post with the evidence)