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Offline jujyjuji

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Emails sent to Stefania Maurizi #3
« on: March 03, 2015, 12:54:22 PM »
Given the premises sent to S.M. in these two previous emails, meant to explain how bad was the situation: Emails sent to Stefania Maurizi #1 ,
Emails sent to Stefania Maurizi #2 , I've sent a 3rd one.

This 3rd email expresses my worries and suspects JA may be linked to the Muslim brotherhood and I, myself, admit that without a strong evidence these are heavy accusations so I want to mantain the discussion confidential till I have evidence.

I have told a journalist... because may be a journalist can investigate on the issue... And it was a supporter-journalist, so she wouldn't have just tried to smear JA.

Part of the things I mention in this email have been after published by the forum staffers.

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[Italian original version]

fratelli musulmani e ja‏

Da: Enrica
A: Stefania Maurizi
11/01/2013

Stefania... ci sono sospetti che la persona di JA (solo lui e NON wikileaks come organizzazione) possa essere legata in qualche modo ai fratelli musulmani... Sono accuse pesantissime perciò non avendo prove dirette che queste mie (e di altri) ipotesi restino fra noi.

Però tu sei una giornalista.
Ci sono stati dei tweets di Julian (aka @wikileaks) veramente sospetti dal punto di vista di una che posta cablo tutti i giorni su facebook cablgate e conosce le informazioni di cui si parla.

Questi tweets, tolte le mie azzardatissime ipotesi, sono quanto meno Non Professionali e Non giornalistici.

Ancora una volta il solo luogo dove potevo parlarne era il forum.
E l'[h]o fatto. Da sola purtroppo perché sono io quella che spulcia i cablo a tutta birra e sa dove andare a parare.

1. via @wikileaks - WikiLeaks US cable: "If the regime were to fall in Syria, who would fill the vacuum?" http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/08/06BEIRUT2735.html#par13 … #cablegate #syria #baath

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/277936786460794880

Discusso qui: The Muslim Brotherhood in Syria
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16538.0.html

Tieni conto che mentre questo singolo cablo sembra parlar bene dei Fratelli Musulmani siriani, decine e decine di altri cablo (che ho anche postato sul forum) vedono sia l'orrendo regime di Assad sia gli USA preoccupatissimi per un'eventuale loro ascesa al potere o per i loro legami con gli estremisti Iraniani e con Hamas.

Aggiungi a questo che in tutto il caos che sta accadendo in Egitto e Morsi che vuole stabilire la sharia (!!! addio libertà di religione e scelta , poveretti!!!) wikileaks non ha speso una parola a riguardo e in passato Assange era fiero della primavera araba egiziana... Ah, a proposito, sempre i cablo dimostrano che si sapeva fin dall'inizio che i Fratelli Musulmani volevano stabilire la sharia (ho postato tutto sul forum, se vuoi te lo mando).

Aggiungi pure che i Syria Files da un lati calcino il sedere di Assad, dall'altro l'Occidente e il loro rilascio è stato volontariamente posticipato, a quanto dicono coloro che hanno avuto a che fare col team diretto di WL.

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2. QUESTO equivocabilissimo tweet a proposito dell'intervista con Nasrallah, ora usata per appoggiare gli attacchi di Hamas (!!) ... quando i cablo tra l'altro riportano estremisti e fratelli musulmani come fondatori di Hamas stessa:

"badworded wikileaks twet"@wikileaks 16 Nov 2012: #Nasrallah on why it is important to fire rockets into #Israel http://t.co/vYsa9cl6 #gaza" - " http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16053.0.html

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Il forum è diventato maledettamente scomodo per "qualcuno" io credo.

Da sei mesi sono stata zitta ma ora non ne posso più di tutto questo coprire i fatti interni.
C'è di più.

Abbiamo le chat con Assange che pretendeva che il forum (che non risulta come wikileaks stessa, ma come indipendente) che il forum gli passasse tutte le emails dei membri (cosa illgale) non diendo niente a nessuno perché "tanto la gente percepisce il forum come wl" (???!!!) - ci siamo ovviamente rifiutati di dare i dati perché, senza un annuncio o chiedere il permesso, non sarebbe stato legale.

... Cabledrummer voleva postare da Al Manar (un sito estremista) ... ha fatto un casino contro il forum, e WL non ha fatto nulla per difenderci (né difenderà l'Espresso se lui scrive che voi "censurate" i cablo erroneamente)

... Ok ora mi fermo.
Scusa lo sfogo.

Volevo che tu almeno sapessi un po' di fatti accaduti.
Per amor del vero.
Su twitter sarò e sono attaccata sa [da] Stjarna F, (aka Julian al 99%) e da altri. Ho tutto da perdere perché sono normalmente nota come una supporter - e lo sono - solo che io suporto i principi giornalistici e neutrali di WL, non l'uso parziale e politico dei cablo o di altre informazioni, perciò è mio dovere/diritto non tacere a riguardo.

Ti auguro tutto il meglio e ti ringrazio per l'ascolto.

Sinceramente,

Enrica (isis-jasmine-wl cablegate facebook-epjas2)


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[English Translation]

Muslim brothers and ja

From Enrica
To: Stefania Maurizi
11/jan/2013

Stefania ... there are suspicions that the person of JA (only himself and NOT Wikileaks as an organization) can be somehow linked to the Muslim brothers ... these are heavy accusations, therefore, having no direct evidence of these hypothesis (mine and others), let's them remain between us.

But you're a journalist.
There have been Julian's tweets (aka @wikileaks) looking really suspect from the point of view of one that everyday posts cables on cablegate facebook and knows the information we are talking about.

These tweets, apart from my risky assumptions, are at least Not Professional and Not journalistic.

Once again, the only place where I could talk about them was the forum.
And so I did. Unfortunately alone because I'm the one who "combs" through the cables full speed and knows where to arrive.

1. via @wikileaks - WikiLeaks US cable: "If the regime were to fall in Syria, who would fill the vacuum?" http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/08/06BEIRUT2735.html#par13 … #cablegate #syria #baath

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/277936786460794880

Discussed here: The Muslim Brotherhood in Syria
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16538.0.html

Consider that while this single cable seems to positively talk about the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, dozens and dozens other cables (which I also posted in the forum) see both the hideous Assad regime and the very worried US for their eventual rise to power or for their links with Iranian extremists and Hamas.

Add to this that in all the chaos happening in Egypt, and Morsi who wants to establish Sharia laws (!!! goodbye religious freedom and freedom of choice, poor people !!!) wikileaks hasn't spent a word about this and in the past Assange was proud of the Egyptian Arab Spring ... Oh, by the way, always the cables demonstrate it was clear since the beginning the Muslim Brotherhood wanted to establish Sharia laws (I posted everything on the forum, if you want I send it to you).

Also add that the Syria Files on one side kick Assad's ass, on the other the West, and their release has been voluntarily postponed, say those who have had something to do with the direct WL team.

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2. THIS way an equivocal tweet about the interview with Nasrallah, now used to support the Hamas' attacks (!!) ... when cables by the way report extremists and Muslim brothers as founders of Hamas itself:

"badworded wikileaks twet"@wikileaks 16 Nov 2012: #Nasrallah on why it is important to fire rockets into #Israel http://t.co/vYsa9cl6 #gaza" - " http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,16053.0.html

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The forum has become terribly uncomfortable for "someone" I believe

For six months I've been silent but now I'm sick of all this covering internal facts.
There's more.

We have the chats with Assange pretending that the forum (that doesn't result as wikileaks itself, but as independent) that the forum was going to pass him all the emails of the members (illegal thing) without saying anything to anyone because " anyway people perceive the forum as wl" (???!!!) - we obviously refused to give the data because, without an announcement or asking for permission, it wouldn't have been legal.

... Cabledrummer wanted to post from Al Manar (an extremist website) ... has made a mess against the forum, and WL did nothing to defend us (nor he's going to defend L'Espresso if he wrongly writes that you "censor" the cables)

Ok ... now I'll stop
Sorry for the rant.

I wanted you to know at least some  of the actual facts .
For the sake of truth.
I will be and I'm being, on twitter, attacked by Stjarna F, (aka Julian 99%) and by others. I have everything to lose because I'm normally known as a supporter - and I am - just I support the journalistic and neutral principles of WL, not the partial and political use of cables or other information, so it is my duty/right not to be silent about it.

I wish you all the best and thank you for listening.

Sincerely,

Enrica (isis-jasmine-wl cablegate facebook-epjas2)

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Re: Emails sent to Stefania Maurizi #3
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 14:35:34 PM »
I'll avoid to repost the reply I've got to this 3rd email, for respect of Stefania's privacy, anyway the sense was:

- that she thought my name surely was a fake identity
- that she was working with WL since 2009 and interacting with other collegues so she's aware of the truth
- that in 4 years she recived the most strange theories on Julian Assange but none of them has been proved, and that my own supposition that JA could have been linked to the Muslim brothers is really big, if not fool; she's only missing a theory connecting JA to the UFOs (thing that she after has tweeted)
- she could not confirm or deny the names I had mentioned in the emails were/were not members of WL: she doesn't identify her sources
- she said if I couldn't prove the WL donations were diverted to else than the leaks she said that was defamation, and she mentioned the entities dealing with the donations: Wau Holland for WL, Derek Rothera for the Assange Defense fund, and the new Freedom of the Press Foundation.

NO mention about the False things WL had tweeted to 2 mln followers about this forum (wich is also defamation).

Then I sent her info to show I was a real person and re-stated mine were just hypothesis. I dropped the things on what I had no direct evidence.
And I highlighted the evidence Assange had deliberately retweeted a false thing on this forum.

On jan 14 2013, with the permission of at that time forum staffers, I've sent her the full documentation of the email this forum had sent to Kristinn Hrafnsson and Sarah Harrison, wich includes chats with WL direct staffers about the lie Stjarna-Assange (@wikileaks retweeted) tweet.
So clearly this forum was interacting with WL staffers...

... It was Julian Assange himself confirming to the forum @AssangeC was his mother on twitter when we offered her to have a board here, after she had contacted me on twitter ... #justsaying

Several info I've mentioned in this thread have now been posted. Including a conversation where a 3rd person says the Muslim Brotherhood had paid for Assange's "bodyguards".
... I can't find all the links at the moment, I hope other admins can add them, so it's clear what I'm talking about.

So S.Maurizi is perfectly aware of how difficult was the situation for us when I emailed her explaining the problems and my suspicions.

Given she keeps mentioning my "absurd accusations", I hope now I've posted them in the forum everybody can reflect on what she's talking about.

The reaction on twitter has been very similar to what she wrote to me via email, here it is:

@SMaurizi
(1/3)Smear campaign against #Assange and @wikileaks ENDLESS I was contacted by a guy sustaining Julian is somehow linked 2Muslim Brotherhood
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/290951707184226305

@SMaurizi
(2/3) After #Assange sold broadcasting rights to @RT_com he was accused of being a Kremlin's puppet.
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/290952353765531648

@SMaurizi
(3/3) After @wikileaks released #SyriaFiles Pravda accused #Assange of being a CIA experiment. What next? #Assange an alien?
https://twitter.com/SMaurizi/status/290952680740904962

...I after even sent her another emails saying I had liked and translated an article she had written on PlusD...

One can now read and comment knowing what she was referring to, at least.

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Re: Emails sent to Stefania Maurizi #3
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2015, 13:33:22 PM »
... was the Assange-Muslim Brotherhood connection such a nonsensical thing?
Well, according to these documents it wasn't a so absurd speculation:

Muslim Brotherhood paid for Julian Assange's Bodyguards at an Event in 2010 in Switzerland.
Chat with a WL person: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s1oi7v

FTR #736 Taqqiya Sunrise: More about the Muslim Brotherhood and the Piggy-Back Coup in the Middle East
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-736-taqqiya-sunrise-more-about-the-muslim-brotherhood-and-the-piggy-back-coup-in-the-middle-east/